Generational Dynamics World View

[Bob Butler 54]

(05-07-2020, 06:35 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Strauss was the more intelligent of the two.

Or perhaps he is more in alignment with your ideological bias.  I really only met the authors in Nashville, so I have no real evidence.  I just suspect you are one of the many who confuse intelligence with how much people agree with their own perspective.

(05-07-2020, 06:35 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Your "arrow of progress" is a fig newton of your imagination.  It doesn't exist in the sense that you're saying...  (Much stuff not worth repeating.)

OK.  So you do not perceive progress in areas outside of technology.  Hmm…

Napoleon had his Code of Napoleon.  It put into effect much of the benefits of the Enlightenment much as it was put into effect earlier in Britain and America.  He did run an autocratic government.  France had emperors and kings long after America had nixed them.  He was not the best example of someone on the cutting edge of the democracy part of human rights, equality and democracy, but eventually most of Europe that he controlled over any length of time embraced the Enlightenment virtues, incorporated them into their culture.

You claim that didn’t happen.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao were also autocrats.  Dictators.  [understatement]  They do not personify the Enlightenment virtues of human rights, equality and democracy.  [/understatement.]  They do not personify progress as defined by the arrow.

From my perspective they far lag Napoleon.  Like you, they embrace the improvements in technology, but ignored the advances in political philosophy.  Kings and dictators are both types of autocrat.  Hitler, Stalin and Mao drove their cultures to embrace technology, avoid the Enlightenment virtues, and often to suppress religion.  Since the Enlightenment, those who are not pushing the values of human rights, equality and democracy would be lagging from my perspective, certainly in the Information Age.

You deny that man advanced from Hunter Gatherer to the Agricultural Age, to the Industrial Age to the Information Age.

You deny that slavery based economies were diminished to near extinction.

You deny the Reformation happened.  You deny that the Reformation is an important part of the changes in religion in the various ages listed above.  You deny perhaps that Religion is an important aspect of human cultures?

That will do for the moment.  There are other aspects to the arrow not covered above, but that should suffice as examples of tying it to very real and well documented events in human history.

Now I don’t attribute your missing these events on a lack of intelligence on your part.  I blame it on ideological bias.  You are cherry picking.  Your system simply does not include things that do not agree with your ideological bias.  See the above examples.  Thus, you can come to whatever conclusion your ideological bias suggests.  Thus, you will pick up fans who live in the same ideological bubble, and get criticism from those centered in other traditions.

I will admit that in looking for a direction of progress my system is biased towards finding it.  I consider this a feature rather than a bug.  Those with a distinctly different ideological bias will disagree.

I will also admit to not studying Africa, South America, the Pacific Islands or some other cultures very deeply at all.  My interest in the Middle East mostly dates from Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, though I have since essentially caught up there.

(05-07-2020, 06:35 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: S&H theory is similar to astrology.  You interpret events any way you want, and correlate them to the stars or to the generations by means of cherry-picking.

I do not find S&H similar to astrology.  They found many interesting, relevant and based on reality patterns… in the US, during the Industrial Age.  I have always warned anyone who is listening not to assume that what was learned of the Industrial Age will hold in the Information Age.  Any patten observed in one age has to be confirmed to exist in another.  You seem to make this mistake often.  I anticipate you will continue to make it.

(05-07-2020, 06:42 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: A generational Crisis era can only end with an explosive genocidal climax of a crisis war that traumatizes the entire population.

An example of the paragraph above.

(05-07-2020, 06:35 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: You brag about your ignorance and stupidity, and wear it proudly as a badge.  There are a lot of people like you.  They're all idiots.

You have a system that justifies your ideological bias, and present it as true and objective.  

Friend!  Comrade!  We are on the same side!