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[Bob Butler 54]

(08-10-2020, 08:21 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Slavery? What are you talking about?  It's the Republicans who freed the slaves, and the Democrats who fought a war to keep them enslaved.  It was the Democrats who forced the blacks into ghettos, and destroyed their families, in order to keep them enslaved.  It's the Democrats who love Socialism, which is economic slavery.  It's the Democrats who have turned loose Antifa to kill freedom of speech.

Have you studied history at all?  LBJ bought the black vote.  The Republicans picked up the racist vote.  As there were more people that though racial superiority was more important than you could pick up by supporting blacks and workers, we had the end of the FDR initiated progressive era and a time dominated by the Republicans.  America was rendered not great for a time.  

The Republicans simply switched sides on the racism issue, much as they had gone from isolationist leaning to strong on defense world policemen.  Parties do occasionally do this, swap the alliances and policies.  If you were familiar with history, you would come to know when the switches took place and why.

(08-10-2020, 08:21 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Conservatives are fighting for freedom.  You love slavery.  Conservatives hate slavery.  You hate people who run small businesses, and you've sent Antifa out to smash them and burn them down.  Conservatives hate seeing the streets of NYC, Washington, Chicago, etc., filled with black teenage bodies, running with blood, while you and other liberals are fine with that.  What are reds fighting for?  For freedom and against slavery.

Incorrect.  That is not my motivation,  I trust you acknowledge my own knowledge of my own motivation and a tendency of political ideologues to create straw man parodies of their opponent’s motivations?  

Any time you profess to believe in your made up straw men you only discredit further your ability to understand motivations.  Those outside your own bubble will recognize your bubble quickly enough.  If you ever want your stuff to be valued above a comic strip joke, you will have to deal with your opponent’s real motivations.  In this case, the motivations are precisely as presented: democracy, equality and human rights.  If you are OK with sabotaging the vote or violent racist policing, you have a problem.  If you don’t wise up, happy disaster.  Come the crisis heart, you tend to go kaput.

(08-10-2020, 08:21 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Your "arrow of progress" is based on the notion that people can't run their own lives because you know more than they do how to run their lives.  You favor slavery -- forcing people to do as you want.

Conservatives favor freedom -- let people decide for themselves.

For freedom but against equality?  That doesn’t seem to make sense.  Many Republicans in the Trump circle seem to want to keep their privileged position as elites and whites.  As long as they are tainted by those inclinations, they are not on the side of democracy, human rights and equality.  As is the folks in the Republican Party who are loyal to the elites, racism and Trump are going to have to struggle against those who have drifted blue for a time.

Mind you the Lincoln Project, Republican Voters Against Trump and VoteVets are leaving a large space for conservatives to become respectable again in time.  Going with Biden in the short term is quite understandable.  The tendency to take small government well beyond the point of diminishing return, diminished levels of racism, and the Tea Party’s rejection of elite influence in the Republican establishment leaves quite a bit of room for the Democrats to operate successfully for a while.  Still, there is lots of room for the conservatives to find themselves given time to regroup.  But I see a tug of war among conservatives while this happens.  The racists and elitists will not go away easily.

Now ‘freedom’ is one of those things that at one level it is hard to be against.  If it is a freedom to be an elitist or a racist, it is a problem.  Your freedom means someone else is less free.  If you could grant freedom you might get freedom, but that is a struggle the Trump faction and the vote Biden faction are dealing with these days.