Generational Dynamics World View

[Bob Butler 54]

(08-28-2020, 11:54 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

Guest Wrote:There is no law and order or safety in America anymore. If Biden wins, it will be the end of America as we have known it forever. And we won't even be allowed to say that openly without being imprisoned. Trump or the death of liberty.

Xeraphim1 Wrote:Actually, it is entirely possible that if Biden won the rioting/looting/arson would stop immediately. The people/groups funding and organizing it would have accomplished their mission.

If that's true, then it has a very important corollary.

According to their own rhetoric, the antifa-blm fascists are trying to use violence to provoke a revolution.  This would be a tribal revolution against the 63 million Tea Partiers and Trump supporters. If Biden wins and if, as you say, the violence ends, then the antifa-blm fascists will have failed to provoke a tribal war.

The corollary, then, is that the antifa-blm fascists want Trump to win the election, so that they can continue as before.  Indeed, their leaders may reason that a Trump victory would so inflame the population, that their revolution would grow.  So they would conclude that a Trump victory is to the benefit of the antifa-blm.

There's another corollary: A Biden victory would not necessarily end the violence, since the antifa-blm goal would not be accomplished with a Biden victory.

I would suggest you refer to the Boogaloo Bois rather than Antifa.  Antifa existed primarily as anti fascists, counter demonstrating against the KKK and the Neo Nazi.  All three groups became much less relevant when George Floyd was murdered, when the Black Lives Matter movement went critical.  It is the Boogaloo Bois who see the capitalist / democratic institutions as having failed, and see no peaceful way of correcting the failure, and thus are seeking to start a violent solution.  

I’m not arguing that the Boogaloo Bois don’t exist or the motivation is not real, or that the looting isn’t a problem.  It is just that you are misrepresenting and failing to understand the motives of the various groups.  It is a good an example of how your failure to understand motivations leads to problems with folks trying to take you seriously.

At a very high level there is a difference between Industrial Age and Information Age thinking.  Humans are instinctively violent.  They divide themselves into groups instinctively, and are ready to employ violence to acquire resources.  This corresponds roughly to the xenophobia motivation so prevalent in the Industrial Age..  Groups like the Boogaloo Bois and Trump followers fall into this pattern.  In sending the secret police into Democratic cities, or in hiding among protests to instigate violence, they divide and incite violence as a tool to achieve their aims.

In the Industrial Age the emphasis is much more on using non violence to solve problems.  At the very least, you exhaust non violent means before devolving to one’s crude violent instincts.  Things like nukes and insurgent wars teach the futility of counting on violence to solve problems.  Violence isn’t as cost effective as it was in the days before machine guns.  Thus, you try listening to the people and solving the problem through legislation first.  You might have to fall back to violence if the conservative faction insists on continuing to commit past injustices, on clinging to older cultural aspects which exploit privilege and the us against them instincts.  But in many cases, listening to the victims of injustice and responding with proper legislation works.

But some are addicted to the old privileged injustices and locked into a culture which divides between us and them as if by right.

Anyway, the Trump vs Biden difference is in many ways one of the ages.