08-29-2020, 10:52 AM
(08-28-2020, 08:42 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 28-Aug-2020 World View: Boogaloo Bois
(08-28-2020, 02:49 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: > I would suggest you refer to the Boogaloo Bois rather than
> Antifa.
If I turn on Fox News, I see one video after another of antifa-blm
looting, burning down building, smashing cars, smashing people, in
some cases killing people, and other forms of fascist violence, in one
city after another across the country.
FoX Propaganda Channel is news to the extent that its breaking news is valid. After that, FoX News becomes analysis of the news, and that analysis fits a right-wing agenda set by News Corporation. We would all be happy if we would simply suffer on behalf of the sybaritic indulgence of economic elites, taking consolation in vicarious delight in those elites living like sultans while we live in gross poverty on behalf of monopolists, big landowners (whether of farmland or urban housing), and an executive elite that resembles the old Soviet nomenklatura in its establishment of a bureaucracy that ultimately became hereditary in all but name in handing down power. After all, what central planner would want his kids to work on a collective farm or be a grimy miner or industrial worker when all that one need do is to patronize laborers as the glorious proletariat for the system allegedly works?
Antifa and Black Lives Matters are, respectively, about opposition to the fascist fringe in America and elsewhere, and brutal treatment of black suspects by law enforcement. A conservative can be as resolutely anti-fascist as anyone and can recognize that anything short of ethnic equity is a menace to the domestic tranquility that conservatives cherish. Black Lives Matters does not offer or endorse any "Get Out of Jail, Free" card to offenders of any ethnicity. It is opposed to trigger-happy cops more likely to misunderstand black people of any kind and assume that any black person whom they are called to arrest is a threat.
Quote:If I turn on CNN or MSNBC, I don't see any of those antifa-blm videos.
But I also don't see videos of the Boogaloo Bois. In fact, I can't
recall ever seeing a video or news story about fascist violence by
Boogaloo Bois.
Bugaloo Bois prefer, unlike Kluxists and neo-Nazis, to blend in with the (white) crowd even if that white crowd is hostile to fascsim and police brutality. They are pieces of work, a violent clique trying to establish some identity. Fascists typically establish their violent behavior before establishing an ideology. Scummy behavior of course discredits whatever ideology or identity one adopts.
Quote:I googled "Boogaloo Bois violence," and the only thing that came up
was a murder in June.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo...d=71295536
That's the only violence I could find. The rest was speculation about
beliefs or whatever.
Wikipedia has an article on the Boogaloo Bois, and the image ain't pretty.
Quote:So if you have any evidence of any kind of fascist violence by the
Boogaloo Bois that comes anywhere close to the massive multi-city
fascist violence by antifa-blm, let me know. I'll take a look at it.
Antifa is provocative. My impression of Black Lives Matters is that it seeks to form a big tent about making law enforcement more responsible to the communities (including black communities that really need to be spared of the ravages of criminals in their midst). My impression of BLM is that it does not defend rioters and looters. As for rioters and looters, people who take cameras (including cell-phone cameras) to document any police variety or provocation by the Hard Right end up taking images of riot.
Unlike the Black Power types of the time of the urban riots of the 1960's, Black Lives Matters does not use "oppression" as an excuse or explanation of such criminal behavior as looting or arson. The sorts of people who want police forces to divest themselves of trigger-happy cops who see blacks as the Enemy include white people undeniably conservative on matters of law enforcement. Torching a car or smashing a shop window isn't tolerable behavior. Black people who endure more than their share of violent crime deserve effective, competent, and fair law enforcement. If you look at crime you typically find one-person crime waves. The person who does one crime and decides that crime is wrong for him or her might get away with one crime (except for murder); most crime is the result of serial offenders (especially burglars) who can eventually be traced to multiple offenses.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
