09-12-2020, 07:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2020, 06:05 AM by Bob Butler 54.)
It is not so much the lie, though I felt it a good idea to include enough details from the movie that there would be no doubt that I had just seen it.
The problem is your habitual lying and slandering. If someone has different values than you, you will lie and slander. Thus you created Emile de Becque’s motivations out of whole cloth, deliberately. You lied and slandered. It’s what you do.
I have often stated my values including democracy, human rights, equality and justice. I have said they are comparable with Christian and roundhead American values. There is good reason why those holding these values would be common and believe in them sincerely.
But rather than discredit any favorable feeling towards democracy, human rights, equality and justice, you will lie and slander. I think Trump's inability to feel military values helped me see it more clearly. Many hold autocratic or racist values at a higher level than they hold democracy, human rights, equality and justice. At best, they hold the arrow of progress virtues only so far as they apply to them, not as they apply to all. They are reluctant to say so directly. They will not stand up and make an argument that one of those values should not be held and held strongly.
So they lie and slander.
Many of the conservative values are honorable and understandable. Go ahead, say one values independence, low taxes, small government, a strong military, and the military virtues. I probably am missing a few. I will make the counter argument of diminishing returns. Once one party has had a philosophy in place for long enough, it is likely time to swing back the other way. Such a debate could be interesting if the other guy were willing or able to understand my values.
Elitism and racism are not as easy to let slide. Unfortunately, the Republicans have picked up money from the elites and votes from the racists. As it is often said, in order to solve a problem you first have to admit you have a problem. Getting money and votes might not seem like a problem. It seems the conservatives are likely going to have an opportunity to reinvent themselves. They could remain a fanatic, loud minority loyal to elites, racists and Trump. Alternately, they could purge the garbage and become honest in their views.
But meanwhile the problem here is that you would rather lie and slander someone whose values are different from yours than acknowledge his values. As long as you are dealing with false motivations for those who disagree with you, you aren’t going to go anywhere. Any response to me would be a miss. If you cannot absorb my real motives, if you prefer to lie and slander, how could it be anything but a miss? How could you expect anyone outside your bubble to take you seriously?
Not surprised you are not out of lies and slander. Can you deal with me honestly though? That would be a change.
The problem is your habitual lying and slandering. If someone has different values than you, you will lie and slander. Thus you created Emile de Becque’s motivations out of whole cloth, deliberately. You lied and slandered. It’s what you do.
I have often stated my values including democracy, human rights, equality and justice. I have said they are comparable with Christian and roundhead American values. There is good reason why those holding these values would be common and believe in them sincerely.
But rather than discredit any favorable feeling towards democracy, human rights, equality and justice, you will lie and slander. I think Trump's inability to feel military values helped me see it more clearly. Many hold autocratic or racist values at a higher level than they hold democracy, human rights, equality and justice. At best, they hold the arrow of progress virtues only so far as they apply to them, not as they apply to all. They are reluctant to say so directly. They will not stand up and make an argument that one of those values should not be held and held strongly.
So they lie and slander.
Many of the conservative values are honorable and understandable. Go ahead, say one values independence, low taxes, small government, a strong military, and the military virtues. I probably am missing a few. I will make the counter argument of diminishing returns. Once one party has had a philosophy in place for long enough, it is likely time to swing back the other way. Such a debate could be interesting if the other guy were willing or able to understand my values.
Elitism and racism are not as easy to let slide. Unfortunately, the Republicans have picked up money from the elites and votes from the racists. As it is often said, in order to solve a problem you first have to admit you have a problem. Getting money and votes might not seem like a problem. It seems the conservatives are likely going to have an opportunity to reinvent themselves. They could remain a fanatic, loud minority loyal to elites, racists and Trump. Alternately, they could purge the garbage and become honest in their views.
But meanwhile the problem here is that you would rather lie and slander someone whose values are different from yours than acknowledge his values. As long as you are dealing with false motivations for those who disagree with you, you aren’t going to go anywhere. Any response to me would be a miss. If you cannot absorb my real motives, if you prefer to lie and slander, how could it be anything but a miss? How could you expect anyone outside your bubble to take you seriously?
(09-12-2020, 06:16 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: And believe me, I have absolutely no trouble finding a way to respond to your sanctimonious crap.
Not surprised you are not out of lies and slander. Can you deal with me honestly though? That would be a change.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
