09-12-2020, 11:25 PM
(09-12-2020, 08:00 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 12-Sep-2020 World View: Criminal matters
(09-12-2020, 07:21 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: > Say what you want about Black Lives Matters, but plenty of white
> people, not all liberal, are getting sick of hearing about black
> people being killed as the result of police errors -- or
> worse. Police brutality, contrary to right-wing myth, does not
> promote lawful behavior by people like the victims.
I don't know anyone (personally or on tv or online) who is anything
but appalled and sickened by the death of George Floyd at the hands of
a white policeman. There may be some variation between those who see
the death as an accident versus those who say that he did it on
purpose, but I've never heard anyone who thinks that it "promotes
lawful behavior by people like the victims." Everyone I know condemns
the death and agrees that something must be done, though exactly what
must be done varies from person to person. In particular, almost
everyone says that the death must be investigated, and that Derek
Chauvin should be criminally punished if the act was intentional.
Good. You have clarified yourself on that position. The sort of people who believe that brutality by law enforcement promotes compliance might include people such as the leadership of a rotten system such as the monstrous regime in Iran, which executes people on confessions achieved with torture. (Iran did so recently, hanging a professional wrestler involved in a protest. Iranian politics is nothing but fear.
Quote:What appalls me is that antifa-blm thugs across the country are
committing numerous crimes -- assault, looting, burning down
buildings, etc. -- crimes that are CLEARLY intentional and criminal
and not accidental, and people like you refuse to condemn them, and
refuse to demand that the perpetrators should be criminally punished.
I am tempted to believe that such rioters who exploit Antifa or Black Lives Matters as a cover for criminal deeds have no obvious connection. Antifa isn't much of an organization, and Black Lives Matters has no organization at all. This said, affiliation is no excuse for deeds that one can see only as criminal.
On the other hand there are pro-Trump goon squads, like the one that appeared in Portland with much the same vehicles and the same combination of Trump and US flags.
Quote:You in particular will post multiple paragraphs of sophistry nonsense,
but the bottom line is that you refuse to demand that intentional
crimes by antifa-blm criminals should be published, whereas I and
everyone I know will happily demand that any intentional crimes by a
policeman should be punished.
I have suggested that people who witness assaults, arson, property damage, looting, and other such crimes report those to law enforcement or local prosecutors. Plenty of people have cameras, video and still. Photographic evidence is even more damning than eyewitness testimony.
Quote:In the case of black lives matter, there are a lot of people in the
blm movement who are really pissed off that a "good cause" like ending
racism is being hijacked by fascist thugs and criminals that you and
other Democrats refuse to fully condemn.
The cause is one thing, but rioters and looters lose whatever credibility they have by taking advantage of a situation. Arrest, prosecute, and if the judgment is such, incarcerate.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
