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(10-28-2020, 06:32 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 28-Oct-2020 World View: Right wing violence

(10-28-2020, 03:20 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: >   It is typically partisan of you to emphasize leftist violence, and
>   ignore that of the right.

No, that's wrong.

Last evening, there was massive looting and gunfire in Philadelphia.
I call that violence, and it's continuing this evening.

You and other leftists call it "peaceful protests," or at worst,
"a little looting," ignoring the gunfire and other deadly attacks.

I did see the image of the gutted Family Dollar* store, and I wish that people wouldn't do that sort of thing. Family Dollar is a low-end retailer that gets much of its revenue  from people swiping food-aid cards at the register. Obviously, rioters generally have a poor understanding of economics at any level. Besides, people who work there often are unable to get other work or need a second job to pay the high costs of living if their othyer job pays little.  

Quote:I could compile a list of dozens of similar incidents in the last
year.  These are incidents of left-wing antifa-blm fascist violence,
and the violence is similar to the Nazi's Kristallnacht.

When leftists claim "right-wing violence," they're usually talking
about words on a web site.  I don't call that violence, but if you
do, then you also have to say that leftish threats of revolution,
including some threats from prominent Democrats, are also violence.

Words and images can promote violence. The venomous Nazi rag Der Stürmer exemplified stochastic terrorism (although that phrase had yet to be coined) at its worst. Obviously the situation was far worse for the Jews of Hitlerland who had no means of refuting its content due to the strict censorship of German media that was swiftly put into place. It is easy for Jews to refute this sort of garbage almost anywhere in which there is some semblance of freedom of the press, 

 

(Content is the long-discredited Blood Libel that asserts that Jews kill Christian children for blood and bones to be incorporated into Jewish foods for consumption on High Holy Days. The Blood Libel is so ludicrous in view of Jewish ethical values prohibiting murder and the Kashrut dietary rules that preclude the consumption of blood in food of any kind that only a fool could believe it. Nazi media of course made fools of German gentiles who read this bilge. The highly-visible motto at the bottom translates "The Jews are our misfortune!"

There was nothing wrong with the German people from the bloodletting of the Thirty Years' War to the end of World War II that Judaism would not have solved without doing harm!)

Quote:So if you want me to condemn right-wing violence, how about providing
a list of several specific examples that you'd like me to condemn.

I did a quick check, and couldn't find any stories about actual Proud
Boys violence.  I did find the story about the Wolverine Watchman
threatening Gretchen Wilmer, and you can't really call that violence,
although it is a threat of violence, and is therefore illegal.  I
condemn it anyway.

I live in Michigan, so let me disabuse you of your misconception. It was a conspiracy to kidnap the elected Governor of Michigan for which she was to be taken to a 'safe' location to be lynched. This looks like a dangerous conspiracy because it could have culminated in her death. So suppose that you start a plot with some shady-seeming characters to murder your business partner to collect on an insurance policy on that partner whose survival is essential for the survival of your shared business unless you get a huge payout?

The best thing that can happen is that the shady-looking characters be cops who thwart the crime. The story might go like this: the undercover cops get to your partner and tell him of the plot. They and your partner stage the partner's death (food coloring to imitate blood, and the partner takes a distressed pose simulating death) of which the cops take photos. Now that you are to collect from the insurance company, the cops come back with the fake photos and ask to be paid. You pay an installment, the rest to be paid when the insurance company pays. You cry some crocodile tears, and then the ghostly apparition of the partner you thought had died comes through the door. That apparition is very much alive, and the cops handcuff you. You get a lengthy stay in a penitentiary. 

Conspiracy is itself a felony in the Anglo-American legal tradition. People with the desire to do something lawful do not need to conspire. Good people often face temptation, but cavil at the idea of doing something illegal -- including plotting an illegal act. 

I saw transcripts of the conversations of the plotters. To be sure, the large number of f-words and antifeminist language left me little doubt that the people fingered lacked the discipline necessary for success at such a plot. These people do not resemble the tragic failure of the July 20 plot against Satan Incarnate (would that their plot have succeeded with the saving of several million lives!)    

Quote:The point is that I can point to dozens, perhaps hundreds, of examples
of left-wing violence, that you refuse to condemn, but you can only
point to a couple of examples of right wing violence, which I condemn
without hesitation.

What you call left-wing violence (if you are going to call looting and destruction of property "violence")  is almost entirely spur-of-the-moment deeds by people mostly criminals at other times. It is property crime (or personal violence if someone is assaulted or battered) whose illegality isn't repudiated. People looting a store will be caught on camera and prosecuted. 

This is not Detroit in the 1960's, when few people had video cameras that they could use for documenting police brutality. Protestors who have no intention of riotous acts might use the camera that they carry for catching police going awry may end up taking still or moving images of looting, vandalism, arson, and assaults. A fair warning to anyone who would take advantage of a protest for the commission of a crime: peaceful protesters with limited agendas (like stopping police brutality) are not the friends of someone who takes a cart out of Target with un-bagged merchandise or who torches a car. Note well that at riots, news media were taking video footage of riotous acts, and the news media were forwarding much of the footage to police and prosecutors. 
 

Quote:The other difference is that you and other leftists and Democrats
refuse to condemn antifa-blm fascist violence, while I'm willing to
condemn, without hesitation, any examples of right-wing violence.

Antifa is untrustworthy. Black Lives Matters has no organization, and seemingly anyone can join a protest. I did for a short time, but I left only because I saw too few people wearing masks. Some jerk did bring a Confederate flag, and I shouted "Burn that flag!"... well, the Confederate flag is a flag of disgrace.  

Quote:Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable, and certainly not partisan, to
emphasize left-wing violence, while mostly ignoring right-wing
violence, except to thoroughly condemn it whenever it occurs.

You failed to recognize the Michigan plot for the danger that it posed and the affront that it made toward free elections. 

*Family Dollar is a low-end retailer, in case you have never been in one, that largely sells to people that the American Dream has abandoned.