Generational Dynamics World View

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-12-2020, 06:21 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(11-12-2020, 09:53 AM)David Horn Wrote: John, you need to get back on your meds.  I'm serious.  If you actually believe any of this, then I'm really worried.

This is so totally bizarre, I barely know how to respond.  I thought that you might scream faux outrage over the "Fuck you" remark, even though that was a perfectly reasonable and appropriate thing for me to say, in view of the totally insulting, offensive and condescending message of yours that I was responding to.

And now you're saying that you're "really worried"?  Lol.  You really are completely full of crap, aren't you.

The point is that the rest of the paragraph that you're quoting is completely factual.  Reading through it now, I might change the phrase "when they know full well" to "when they very strongly believe," but the paragraph is completely correct.

I have been using 'Earth 1' and 'Earth 2' to indicate the two realities people can choose to live in.  To me, the main stream media have their agendas which you have to watch, but they have things more or less right.  Trump, Fox and many other organizations have it screwy.  They have no compunction about stating falsehoods as if they were true, and are after a population that wants them to be true.  They want voters or viewers or whatever, and are willing to make up anything to get them.

In abstract, you can look at things the other way around.  Thing is, in this day when any millionaire can create a propaganda media outlet, when any moderately comfortable person can open a web site, you can create an alternate worldview and present it as fact.  As I have been saying, you or any ideologue and so thoroughly immerse themselves in their perspective that it becomes real to them.  

Unfortunately, you are only going to gather folk that already share the bogus perspective.  To others, you are not only off but way off.  Get back on your meds off.

I count on this.  I understand that a lot of ideologues with extreme belief in odd political perspectives will accept what they want to believe.  I end up collecting ideologies.  That doesn't make them real.

One answer is a scientific perspective, of checking your data and theories against reality often, to be more concerned about having a correct theory of the world than advancing your ideology.  That would be a switch for you.

But I am not so concerned about holders of the old values clinging to their perspective.  Britain made colonial imperialism work long after the American Revolution.  The slave owners morphed into the KKK terrorists.  There were folks who believe the US shouldn't have regulated the economy, or contained fascist and communist autocracy from expanding.  They will just ride the old values to their deaths.  

Not everyone buys into the crisis, the changes and challenges presented.  In this case it is COVID and racial violent policing.  The red managed to ignore them, but you can't ignore the worst problems facing a culture in a crisis.  If you try, you go down.  In one way or another, the problems get solved.  Those who are not interested in solving them continue to exist.  We are not going to kill their ideologies, no matter that they are dated.  They will just fade into irrelevance.