Generational Dynamics World View

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-13-2020, 08:26 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Whoo whee!  Is that supposed to impress me?  I've dealt with hundreds, perhaps thousands of trolls, not just five or ten like you.

Not a troll.  Neither was the fundamentalist Bible believer a troll in my eyes.  He sincerely believed that God is homophobic, and wished to share his worldview.  Neither is Eric.  He is not motivated by getting a rise out of people invested in their worldview, but sincerely believes in astrology and a variation of the blue pattern.  While I have not met your Russian, at a guess he wasn’t a troll either.  He was a believer in the Russian system.  In order to promote that belief system he had to deny the facts.  It is not surprising that to promote a belief system, one just ignores or denies the facts that would invalidate the system.

Anyway, I have the INTP mind set.  One looks for as succinct and accurate way of modeling things.  It is a Thinker’s pattern under Myers Briggs classification.  A troll would be a Feeler’s pattern, getting a kick out of causing another emotional difficulties.  As usual in Generational Dynamics, a total miss on understanding the other guy.

Let me run through a few motivations.  A member of the KKK or Neo Nazis is often a racist, a believer in the superiority of people who are of a certain subculture and pigmentation.

Antifa doesn’t like such fascists.  As such fascists are often ready to use violence, be it building gas chambers, lynching, or shooting up a place of worship, it is a good idea to be ready to answer with violence.

The Boogaloo Bois believe the system of red vs blue is totally broken.  The only way to fix things is through violence, through destroying the system.

The looters associated with the recent violence are more in it for themselves than any larger political motivation.  They see themselves as poor, value the law poorly, and are willing to acquire stuff.

Black Lives Matter thinks racist violence policing and other aspects of systematic racism has gone on too long, and that through legal protest they can move the system.

Some bad cops believe racist violent policing and systematic racism is neat.

Now all of these if not being mindsets and values can be important parts of them.  They count as a good part of how the individuals see the world and value certain things.  In that they are each the equivalent of Generational Dynamics.  They reflect how the individual sees the world, and what goals should be striven for.

By confusing and persistently misattributing motivations, Generational Dynamics defends itself.  It might be comparable to the Russian who has to find a way to believe that a Russian wouldn’t shoot down an airline, or a fundamentalist believing God doesn’t love homosexuals.  There can be a self serving rejection of truth.  It is much easier for most people to edit out truth than to question the validity of one’s mindset and values.

Antifa, the Boogaloo Bois, the looters, Black Lives Matter, the bad caps, Generational Dynamics and many many others are ways to look at the world and identify goals which should be striven towards.  If you can’t or don’t shift to understand these many and varied motivations, you own way of looking at the world is absurdly lacking.

By lumping some of these motivations together, by deliberately not understanding the motivations involved, you don’t have to acknowledge the Black Lives Matter motivations.  It is just a defense mechanism.  Your worldview is lacking and you are finding a way through deliberate misunderstanding to ignore the obvious.

And you are hardly alone.  Many have come to use the label Earth 2 for such a denial of reality.  Many sharing the red mindset and values do it, enough that it is worth having a phase to label it quickly.  You can deny it exists all you like, or ignore it, or not include it in your understanding of the world, but many find the label useful.  Propose another label for the delusion if you like.  That one is accurate enough to have just stuck.

And no, it isn’t stupidity.  That is a cheap out, a way of not taking another perspective seriously.  If you throw the word stupid around, it just shows you have a bad mindset.  You can do tons of research and analysis and still have an absurdly biased, inaccurate or immoral mindset.  Look in the mirror for an example.