Generational Dynamics World View

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(12-13-2020, 12:13 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 12-Dec-2020 World View: The Nation of Aztlán

Burner Prime Wrote:>   One of the things John never talks about but should when analyzing
>   the SouthWest US, is that Mexicans deep in their soul still
>   believe belongs to Mexico. Go to the Alamo and look at the
>   monuments and you will see massive volumes of spit on them from
>   Mexicans passing by. In the mind of Mexicans, Texas, Arizona, New
>   Mexico and Southern California belong to Mexico, full stop. It is
>   their historical birthright for thousands of years; we stole it
>   from them a mere 150 years ago, and eventually they will get it
>   back. That's the essence of the Aztlan plan.

>   John never factors the Aztlan plan into any predictions about
>   where we're headed, though nothing in North America and the
>   Southern border is more important from a Generational
>   perspective. He talks about Israel refighting the 1948 partition
>   but never talks about the US refighting the Mexican American
>   war. Instead he assumes that once Mexicans cross the Rio Grande,
>   all of a sudden they love apple pie and baseball and will rally
>   behind Kamala Harris when WWIII breaks out. Though it's possible
>   since they might calculate they'll get moar-free-stuff from the US
>   than from a new Mexican administration.

Awwwww, I'm sorry you feel left out because Latinos aren't getting the
same amount of attention as the Palestinians.

I do not consider Mexican-American citizens oppressed unless a higher rate of poverty is a form of oppression. Mexican-American citizens of the USA are fully able to preserve a culture that many non-Hispanics (I included) consider in no way exotic. There is much assimilation involving Mexican-Americans, but it goes both ways. Mexican-Americans have often shown the ability to assimilate people not of Mexican origin into their distinct and distinguished culture. 

For real oppression, go to southern Ohio, eastern Kentucky, or just about anywhere in West Virginia. Statistically I would rather be a Mexican-American in a stable family in much of "Aztlan" than grow up in some unstable, drug-addled white family.. well, anywhere. Can one be white and oppressed? Addiction to meth, fentanyl, oxycontin, or heroin is oppression.   

Quote:The problem is that I have written about all these things -- back in
2005-2006, when hundreds of thousands of Latinos were marching in Los
Angeles carrying Mexican flags and singing a bizarre Spanish version
of the Star Spangled Banner:

Paradoxically this is a time in which Mexican-Americans were making significant inroads upon the American middle class. I don't see this as a great difference between Italian-Americans taking pride in an Italian heritage that includes Dante Alighieri, Michelangelo Buonarroti, and Giuseppi Puccini or in German-Americans taking pride in Goethe and J S Bach.   

Quote:Separately, in those days, I was having online conversations with
people about Aztecs, Mayans, and Commancheros.

But that was 15 years ago.  Today, it's all fizzled.  Whereas
Palestinian protests in Gaza or the West Bank are still a regular
occurrence, there's no news coming out of Los Angeles any more except
for the homeless lining the streets and, more recently, the endless
lockdowns.

If Mexican-Americans have any problems in America, then such has nothing to do with being Mexican-American.  

Quote:And if you do an internet search for Aztlán, you get nothing recent.
Even the aztlan.net web site, which I used to reference, is now all
but defunct, except for a map:

• Map of Aztlán

Furthermore, the Aztlán secession wouldn't make sense today.  Today,
caravans of Latinos are trying to get into the United States to take
advantage of all the free benefits promised by Biden, including free
welfare and free medical care for illegal immigrants.  Nobody wants a
nation of Aztlán to secede, since Biden wouldn't be president in
Aztlán, and so the people wouldn't get free benefits.  Actually, that
was also true in 2005-6.

One of the ironies is that this area has far more people of Mexican origin than it had in 1845, 1848, or 1853 when Mexico seceded the area to the United States. Figure that some large cities that now have large Mexican-American populations were at most hick towns (San Antonio, El Paso, Albuquerque, Tucson, Phoenix, and all the mission-garrison towns of California) or did not even exist at the time of Mexican cession (Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, Lubbock, Las Vegas, San Bernardino, Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, Stockton, Sacramento, and Reno). Even Salt Lake City has a fast-growing Mexican-American community. Ironically, two cities almost fits into this category (Denver and New Orleans) except for one thing: neither was ever in Mexican territory [/quote] 

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So the solution to your dilemma is simple: Just get a few thousand
Mexicans to march through Los Angeles again, and you'll get a lot more
attention again.

But count on many of those "Mexicans" having surnames or maiden names such as Sullivan, Schmidt, Kowalski, Rossi... assimilation goes both ways with Mexican-Americans. 

In one of the odd ironies of vexillology (flags), the flags of Chile and Texas are easy to confuse.