Generational Dynamics World View

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-25-2020, 06:23 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-25-2020, 06:01 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I would agree somewhat with the Second Amendment.  In urban areas, reducing the problem of gun deaths is something you could want, but less so in rural areas.  I am with the reds in understanding of why the Founding Fathers wanted people carrying arms, but understand why the blues want to change it.  I think some compromise is possible, but it has been too politicized that right now it isn't worth trying.  Both sides still see a total victory in sight.  The blues have a century plus of precedent, and seem to have not noticed it was started in the Jim Crow south as they eliminated all rights for blacks.  The reds have what the founding fathers wrote into law and the recent court cases have reinforced.  Meeting in the middle is unlikely for now.

I don't agree that there is any hostility towards freedom of speech and religion.  Both the red and the blue major news organizations have agendas.  They are not shy about presenting them.  You could argue that Trump censored the scientists, and argue that he has the power to do so.  I'm dubious.  Other than that, in these days of the internet it is really hard to keep information contained.  I personally think both sides are currently too obstinate and untactful.

Also, no one wishes to tell someone else how to worship, but many object to the use of government force to make others follow their own religious beliefs.  That is objected to, and rather loudly and rightly.

But one who uses the power of the moderator to block criticism of his opinion has no right to grumble about censorship.

You don't post opinions.  You post troll garbage.  Like Sean Love, your objective is to be as destructive as possible.  You're a human wrecking ball.  You've pretty much destroyed this thread with your troll garbage.  But I'll be damned if you're going to do the same to the news thread in the Generational Dynamics forum.  Fuck you. However, you're welcome to post all the troll garbage you want in the Strauss-Howe thread, where it belongs.  Have fun!

Try to really look at the above three conflicts.  From my perspective, in order to understand a conflict, you have to understand both sides.  That is if there are only two sides.  In the situation around Black Lives Matter, you have to understand the many actors involved: Black Lives Matter, the good cops, the bad cops, Antifa, the Wolverine Watchman, the Proud Boys, the secret police,.the military, Trump…  If you don’t understand all of them, you don’t understand the situation.

Now if your worldview is limited to one specific worldview, you obviously can’t do that.  In playing with worldviews, you can be intelligent or not.  You do very well.  You can be dedicated to doing you research.  In that you do well.  The other factor you need is the ability to switch between worldviews, to examine and understand if not agree with other perspectives involved.  In this one of three categories, and I am open to others existing, you do poorly indeed.

And that is why you are stuck with personal attacks, accusations of stupidity and censorship as your common methods of trying to defend yourself.  You are capable of understanding only one way of looking at a problem at a time.  Other perspectives are at best given a straw man, a perspective you assign which is easy to shut down.  Such is obviously not the real perspective that other world views represent.

Now as worldviews are involved, I am stuck.  As you deal in only a single real perspective at a time, that being your own, you can never accurately describe the situation.  That is just the way you look at things.  I have debated with fundamentalists, Marxists, scientists and many others.  I will shift my mode of argument to the other guy’s worldview, to help the other guy see the Truth as that person sees it.

But I can’t do anything with you.  You can’t show a complex situation to one who is locked into a simplistic perspective.  I can’t or won’t answer insults and censorship save to point it out when it happens.  This turns into an inability to address and debate Generation Dynamics as the creator of it can’t conprehend criticism.  He is just incapable by nature of his worldview to comprehend complex problems.

I suppose it is like trying to raise an issue with a Marxist that has nothing to do with capitol, or raising an argument with a fundamentalist which is not based on the Bible.  They just keep coming back to their own worldview, and will not comprehend or understand other’s perspectives.

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I am tempted to create another thread within the Generational Dynamics forum.  Strauss, Howe, you and I all use turnings in slightly different ways.  Mine is not quite the same as Strauss and Howe’s.  The difference is similar with my conflicts with you, a failure to account for obvious differences between the Industrial and Information Ages, and lack of emphasis on how each crisis has moved the US culture further from the Agricultural Age pattern.  Thus, the criticisms of Generational Dynamics don’t really reflect Strauss and Howe.  There should be a place for discussing Strauss and Howe.

I am somewhat concerned that the community is splitting.  The blue folk seem to be going with Facebook, the red folk seem not to be moving to your forum.  This is disappointing.