01-15-2021, 04:58 AM
Tribal thinking would be dividing people into us and them, developing xenophobic attitudes towards them, and to seek to gain advantage over them. In the worst case violence is used to gain an advantage. Along with the opposed WEIRD, it is one of the two modes of thinking that Joseph Henrich describes at length in The Weirdest People in the World.
Tribal Thinking could be considered an insult, but more to the point it is a way of describing how people think. If Trump causes division and fights for certain people, say the rural culture over the urban, that is tribal thinking. Generational Dynamics does emphasize how groups divide, feel xenophobia towards their rivals and fight the war of the week. That is tribal thinking. It should be considered a description more than as an insult. If you don’t want the description to apply to you, don’t divide into opposed groups, develop xenophobia, or apply various political or violent approaches to subduing other groups. The opposite would be WEIRD principles such as the roundhead ideas of democracy, human rights, equality and rule of law rather than loyalty to a group of people.
The insults? You can not say they did not fly the other way too. People will defend their worldviews. If they cannot defend them with fact and logic, they will resort to insults. Is it my fault that you and the people on your site cannot defend their position? If they resort to insults, is it shocking that others respond in kind? I will certainly treat them with respect if they treat me with respect. Judging from recent red on red flame wars on your site, this is a problem among your regulars.
Why do you present your worldview? People do, including both of us.
Rural thinkers do include some of the deplorables. Identifying individuals as being deplorable should not be automatic and done lightly. Most deplorables are aware enough of society’s reaction to deplorable behavior to hide the deplorable behavior. Some individuals such as the KKK and Neo Nazi don’t hide it, but many do. Therefore while it is safe to point out tribal thinking exists among the rural culture, individuals should not be accused of it unless they break cover so to speak. Most do not, in many cases because they do not feel specific xenophobic motivations.
Still, if you do show a xenophobic tendency to be unable or unwilling to understand blue thinking, well, yes. I would rather say you practice tribal thinking than say you are deplorable. It is more descriptive. It is doesn’t make as much of a moral judgement.
Tribal thinking was the dominant form of thought for much of history, and is still dominant in many places. War was cost effective for much of human history, at least for the winners. It is just not the only mode of thought.
But basically, you have advocated Industrial Age tribal thinking. You have backed it up with significant research, but that does not imply you understand or credit Information Age WEIRD thought. You cannot understand blue thinking if you do not understand and acknowledge the basic way which blues see the world.
I am reminded of Nicholson’s line from A Few Good Men. “You can’t handle the truth!” If your perspective were true, you could defend it. You would not need to resort to insult and censorship.
Tribal Thinking could be considered an insult, but more to the point it is a way of describing how people think. If Trump causes division and fights for certain people, say the rural culture over the urban, that is tribal thinking. Generational Dynamics does emphasize how groups divide, feel xenophobia towards their rivals and fight the war of the week. That is tribal thinking. It should be considered a description more than as an insult. If you don’t want the description to apply to you, don’t divide into opposed groups, develop xenophobia, or apply various political or violent approaches to subduing other groups. The opposite would be WEIRD principles such as the roundhead ideas of democracy, human rights, equality and rule of law rather than loyalty to a group of people.
The insults? You can not say they did not fly the other way too. People will defend their worldviews. If they cannot defend them with fact and logic, they will resort to insults. Is it my fault that you and the people on your site cannot defend their position? If they resort to insults, is it shocking that others respond in kind? I will certainly treat them with respect if they treat me with respect. Judging from recent red on red flame wars on your site, this is a problem among your regulars.
Why do you present your worldview? People do, including both of us.
Rural thinkers do include some of the deplorables. Identifying individuals as being deplorable should not be automatic and done lightly. Most deplorables are aware enough of society’s reaction to deplorable behavior to hide the deplorable behavior. Some individuals such as the KKK and Neo Nazi don’t hide it, but many do. Therefore while it is safe to point out tribal thinking exists among the rural culture, individuals should not be accused of it unless they break cover so to speak. Most do not, in many cases because they do not feel specific xenophobic motivations.
Still, if you do show a xenophobic tendency to be unable or unwilling to understand blue thinking, well, yes. I would rather say you practice tribal thinking than say you are deplorable. It is more descriptive. It is doesn’t make as much of a moral judgement.
Tribal thinking was the dominant form of thought for much of history, and is still dominant in many places. War was cost effective for much of human history, at least for the winners. It is just not the only mode of thought.
But basically, you have advocated Industrial Age tribal thinking. You have backed it up with significant research, but that does not imply you understand or credit Information Age WEIRD thought. You cannot understand blue thinking if you do not understand and acknowledge the basic way which blues see the world.
I am reminded of Nicholson’s line from A Few Good Men. “You can’t handle the truth!” If your perspective were true, you could defend it. You would not need to resort to insult and censorship.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
