01-15-2021, 03:36 PM
(01-15-2021, 12:32 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(01-15-2021, 09:16 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: Butler re-posted my last message in his "Polyticks" thread on the GD forum. He replied with his offensive screed about Tribal Thinking. Here is the response that I posted there.
I continued the conversation there. As here few consider the WEIRD ideas of Henrich that weird, I will not repeat it here. People might visit Xenakis's site if they wish, or make an argument that I continue double posting if you are really interested.
I put WEIRDest People in the World on my library list recently, hope to read it soon. Have you read Haidt's The Righteous Mind? (It was in a podcast with Andrew Yang that he recommended the first book along with Klein's Why We're Polarized). That went a long way towards helping me see why there was conflict around certain issues.
I think where I would disagree is in categorizing red as 'tribal' and blue as 'WEIRD.' Certainly more liberal (small 'l') ideas tend to percolate among the WEIRD first, but there are also a good chunk of them in the libertarian (left and right) camp. There is a lot of tribal thinking among the current blue side as well, as evidenced by how viciously people who belong to communities typically associated with democrats are treated if they stray from the fold.
It could be, in a 4T, the ideas from the previous WEIRD thought leaders start percolating through society, gradually becoming codified into a new Traditionalism that acts as the 'tribal' thinking for the next cycle. I'll have to think through it more once I read the book.
