06-13-2021, 04:00 PM
(06-13-2021, 02:28 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 13-Jun-2021 World View: Election fraud audits vs Cuba
Trevor Wrote:> I consider it dangerous when you can't trust an election outcome
> and many people don't. I'm a little suspicious, but far from
> absolutely convinced. However, it's a bit rich for the people who
> spent four years saying that Trump stole the election now turn
> around and say questioning the election is treason.
The Trump supporters are increasingly angry about the election rigging
and the massive censorship of conservative voices.
The Democrats are increasingly desperate. They've already sent an
army of over 100 lawyers to Maricopa Country Az to stop that audit.
And now the Justice Dept is launching a full-scale attack on the audit
process with the full force of the Biden administration.
*** Garland charts DOJ collision course with Maricopa County election audit
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...tion-audit
The results of the Maricopa audit are expected in early August. If
the DoJ finds a way to stop the audit, then there will be a furious
reaction from the 75 million Trump supporters, and there will be
aggressive changes at the state level - which is already occurring
anyway.
The Trump supporters are increasingly angry
Conservatives are not silenced if they stay clear of the provocative language suggesting conspiracy theories . Conservatives can still promote 'gun rights', condemn abortion, promote tax cuts, seek to eviscerate labor unions, and sponsor regulatory relief as before. They would be wiser to put more attention on these than on the personality of Donald Trump. If Biden is as harmful as Republicans say he is, then Republicans can wait him out and expect a change in the Presidency far more to their liking in 2024. People who promote the idea that the 2020 election was rigged and that America must accept the belief of Trump's most vehement supporters that he won and must be recognized as President. A firm hold onto a false belief does not make the belief any more valid.
As for the 'audit' in Arizona: it is destroying the evidence.
Quote:thinker Wrote:> John something I think you and others are missing is that the
> democrats know that these audits can not only flip the presidency
> but also can have large effects on the house and senate.
If the audits prove that Trump should have won, it will be a political
disaster for the Democrats, but it will not flip the presidency, since
the results have already been certified.
OK, so at least you accept that barring undeniable, material fraud that an electoral result must be accepted as such. (Material fraud? That would be as in the Philippine Presidential election in which votes cast for Corazon Aquino ended up in a stream before anyone had a chance to count them. Such caused the armed forces to turn against Ferdinand Marcos.
thinker Wrote:> Another problem that the democrats did not count on is that the
> states have started to take back their power and have begun to
> pass laws closing all the avenues that they used to steal this
>
Quote:Quote: election as well as passing laws to strengthen the 1st and 2nd
> amendments ( for the 1st look at laws curbing the power of big
> tech).
This is a huge strength of America's federal system, and one of the
reasons why America's constitutional government is possibly the most
stable in history. Obviously, this is a big contrast to Cuba and
China.
The federal compromise is that (1) States run the elections, but (2) they do not get to cheat.
There were proposals that State legislatures could nullify popular results that the Governor or State Legislature disparaged. The Voting Right Acts, which are among the literal expressions of the empowerment clauses of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution:
Quote: Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Other questionable measures to distort the vote will also be precluded.
The difference between the US and China and Cuba goes far beyond form. As for stability, the political order in China is now approaching 72 years. Stability can arise from repression. As for the language of a US-style Constitution protecting human rights, most of Stalin's 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union is a plagiary of ours (if with plenty of weasel words and phrases that gut human rights and civil liberties). How well our Constitution protects our liberties and fair process depends upon how willing our top leaders are to accommodate the Constitution. Contrast Donald Trump with Gerald Ford on that.
Quote:thinker Wrote:> For example I have noticed that the supreme court has been giving
> the right some very important wins lately including a decision on
> a gun rights case where the court's decision was for upholding gun
> rights by a vote of 9 to 0. I think that is the justices trying to
> signal to the populace that they screwed up and that they are
> trying to make up for it. I know some will say that the justices
> don't care about anything but the rule of law and the constitution
> but they are human beings and not robots so things like the mood
> of the populace will play a part in their decisions and all the
> elites know that the populace is really pissed right know.
According to Jonathan Turley, the Supreme Court has scheduled a series
of cases where they have a 9-0 vote, in order to show the leftist
loons that they have nothing to gain by packing the Supreme Court.
However, there are some really big split decisions expected in the
next week.
9-0 indicates that the Supreme Court leaves no doubt about what the decision means.
Quote:thinker Wrote:> A couple of other things, critical race theory is also being
> attacked and removed. There are now people that were not
> politically involved before that have now become very politically
> involved. I see it in my regular life and it can be seen online as
> well, for example the videos of parents going to school board
> meetings and taking them over and starting to get rid of things
> that the school boards have been implementing for years.
This is again an advantage of America's federal system. Critical race
theory is an indocrination system like the ones used in Cuba and
China, but now people at the local level are turning against it.
One of the ironic results of the pandemic is that it closed down the
schools and forced at-home learning (for people who can afford it).
So what happened is that parents were able to watch the online
sessions with their kids and see what was actually being taught, which
they found shocking. Some school districts tried to pass "laws"
making it illegal for parents to watch along with their children, but
that didn't work. Tsk tsk.
I've been a substitute teacher. I do nothing shocking.
Quote:thinker Wrote:> I immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba. When Castro and the communists
> took over they got rid of guns. This is a problem the communists
> in this country have had from the start and I think it is a
> problem that they still haven't been able to figure out. Every
> time they try to move on firearms the population just goes out and
> buys more guns and ammo thereby making their problem even more
> difficult to solve. These truly are some interesting times we are
> living in.
Yeah, that's really funny. Obama used to be called the greatest gun
salesman in the world.
If "gun-grabs" are the cause of dictatorial regimes, then consider that there were more "gun rights" in the Soviet Union than in Britain under Margaret Thatcher. Hunting is very much a part of Russian culture and remained so even in Soviet times. If one lives in bear country, then one needs a firearm. Thatcher did not bring back "gun rights".
The problem is not that people don't have guns. In Cuba, the Commies have the guns. In the Third Reich, every Nazi in good standing was expected to own a firearm. Jews were prohibited from having guns... and even dogs... in Hitlerland. Dogs scare burglars, robbers, and rapists.
America has few Commies; it has far more fascists (which includes neo-Nazis and KKK groups, neither of which I would trust with my civil liberties). So long as gun laws are not discriminatory they pass Constitutional muster.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
