06-15-2021, 12:53 AM
(06-14-2021, 05:26 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 14-Jun-2021 World View: Trump 'illegitimate'[*]
(06-14-2021, 10:09 AM)David Horn Wrote: > My God John. Get some other sources, if this is what you actually
> believe. Going down your list:
>
[*]No one thinks 2016 was illegitimate, just incredibly
> stupid.
(06-14-2021, 12:58 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: > I concur with this.
[*]
Not surprisingly, you two are completely full of shit.
I keep telling you that you are totally ignorant, and have no idea
what's going on, because you're only allowed to know what your
Democrat Party masters let you know.
Once again: You are totally ignorant.
*** Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html
Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’
September 26, 2019 at 9:03 p.m. UTC
Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate
president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016
presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday. ...
Clinton was asked whether it angers her that none of the current
Democratic candidates invoke her on the campaign trail while Trump’s
rally crowds still break out into “lock her up” chants.
“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate
president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying
tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking
to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of
different reasons why the election turned out like it did.” ...
In June, former president Jimmy Carter used similar language to
diminish Trump’s presidency. Carter said that in his view Trump lost
the 2016 election and was put in office by the Russians. Asked if he
considered Trump to be illegitimate, Carter said, “Based on what I
just said, which I can’t retract.”
Did I say that I know everything? I doubt that the GOP would offer me anything other than disinformation.
I have said that the GOP and its front groups probably cheated with dirty tricks that are either marginally legal or impossible to prove in 2016. I know little about what happened in other states, but I saw evidence that someone hacked the Democrats' database of potential voters. The hacking caused Democrats to get out likely Trump votes, o0r so went the story. I did canvassing, and at the end I crossed a county line to canvass solely for African-American votes.
Disrupting the electioneering of the Other Side may not be vote fraud, but it is a dirty trick. If it involves hacking the computer programs of the other side... well, hacking is for all practical purposes "cyber-burglary". Instead of stealing tangible valuables such as gold coins or doing vandalism of tangible materials, the cyber-burglars steal or vandalize precious data.
I can't prove anything, and Michigan was not enough. I can't prove whether it was the GOP, a front group such as ALEC, or a foreign intelligence service (most likely the Russian FSB). Except for the dumbest of them, burglars do what they can to avoid leaving evidence or causing a stir... or keeping evidence such as loot that might connect them to the crime. Hackers do not leave DNA, and there is no chance of them leaving fingerprints behind or having an unpleasant encounter with a dog (being seen running from a dog that is usually reputed for docility, or leaving a trail of blood after experiencing one of the nastiest bites in the animal world -- which traces one to the burglary). If it is still in the whodunit stage, the solution is now prevention. We obviously can't rely upon "Sherlock Holmes", "Hercule Poirot", "Lieutenant Columbo", or "Jessica Fletcher" to solve this.
There is no evasion. Trump is not only incompetent as a leader except in the one thing that demagogues do well (stirring up discontent among the disaffected people who see their world passing away from them) but pervasively wicked. He is so incompetent a businessman that a casino that he owned went bankrupt! Can you imagine losing money in such a money machine as a casino? The only economic activities at which he was successful was as a landlord (and he was lucky to have his holdings heavily in New York City instead of such dumps as Detroit, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and St. Louis; owning property in a booming community is a gold mine), operating beauty pageants, and in making some mindless television (such as his Apprentice, in which much of the shtick is that he says to some schmuck dumb enough to get on his show "You're fired!"
It's not surprising that I could "fire" his dreadful game show for something else very fast.
We've had inept (Andrew Johnson), gullible (Grant), aloof (Coolidge), corrupt (Harding), unduly-rigid (Hoover), devious (Nixon), and clueless (Dubya) Presidents... but Donald Trump has acted as if a temporary majority of only one half of America is to get anything from the government. Everybody else is to be burned, humiliated, and dismissed. With a President like Reagan or Obama one at least sees some effort to reach out to people on the other side (at that Reagan was far more effective). Donald Trump is an extreme narcissist bordering on a sociopath. You get nothing from him unless you are drawn into his circle and share the risks of involvement in shady dealings.
He had the Department of Justice spying on political opponents and upon journalists.
Donald Trump is a right-wing version of Robert Mugabe.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
