08-10-2021, 07:51 AM
** 09-Aug-2021 World View: Epoch Times
The problem is that all your multiple points about the Epoch Times
are completely irrelevant, unless you're claiming that the Epoch Times
manufactured the letter, which is why I asked you about that.
Otherwise, it's completely illogical to reference the Epoch Times,
since the Chi Haotian letter has to be judged on its own, irrespective
of where it was first published. The fact that the Epoch Times got
the scoop by being the first to publish the letter (or by being the
only media source to dare to publish the letter and risk the wrath
of the Chinese Communists) is completely irrelevant.
I have no idea what you mean by saying that I was originally
inflammatory. I just went back and read my original posts about the
Haotian speech, including the web log article, and I don't see anything
that was inflammatory. In fact, I was trying very hard not to be
inflammatory, since I knew "skeptical" people would call me on it.
Also the Chi Haotian letter itself is not inflammatory -- not in the
context of Communist Chinese culture. As I've said several times,
I've done an enormous amount of research. In the past, I've posted
thousands of articles on China, and I've written an entire book on
China. As I've said, I've immersed myself in research on this letter
the last few days.
Chi's speech is just the next step. That is, Mao Zedong laid
down his theory, Deng Xiaoping advanced that theory, and Chi Haotian's
speech advances Communist Party theory even further. The big advance
in Communist Party theory came about after the Tiananmen Square
massacre and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Chi's speech
describes the evolution of theory from Mao to Deng and then in the
90s, and projects that theory into the future by specifying what
action must be taken.
If you want to do some actual research, rather than just rejecting all
the research I've done, then read the following, which I referenced
earlier:
-- China’s Role in the Chemical and Biological Disarmament Regimes --
Eric Croddy
https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-cont...91crod.pdf
(NonProliferation.org, March 2002)
This is an American analysis that corresponds closely to the Chi
Haotian analysis. In particular, it covers the plan for nuclear and
biological weapons, so those parts of Chi's speech are not extremist.
So really the only "extremist" part of Chi's speech, and the part that
I found most startling, was the strategy to defeat America "in one big
blow," and then use biochemical weapons to "clean up America" so that
the Chinese can colonize. But once again, Chi shows that this was the
logical next step from things that Mao and Deng said, especially
havling suffered through the One Child Policy for thirty years.
Here's something to keep in mind: The Chi Haotion speech, if valid, is
not just an ordinary leak. It's a leak of the entire Chinese
Communist military strategy, from top to bottom. It's no wonder that
they're responding to it with silence.
Still, I'd be very interested in hearing what your well-connected
military and intelligence friends have to say, if they're willing. As
I said, I predict silence.
Navigator Wrote:> 6. Epoch Times does get in trouble, and get ridiculed. Reference
> the above article. I don't take lack of a statement of refutation
> as proof of truth. It could be that the CCP has already said
> "anything coming from Epoch Times is blatantly false". In fact, I
> would expect that such a blanket statement already exists.
The problem is that all your multiple points about the Epoch Times
are completely irrelevant, unless you're claiming that the Epoch Times
manufactured the letter, which is why I asked you about that.
Otherwise, it's completely illogical to reference the Epoch Times,
since the Chi Haotian letter has to be judged on its own, irrespective
of where it was first published. The fact that the Epoch Times got
the scoop by being the first to publish the letter (or by being the
only media source to dare to publish the letter and risk the wrath
of the Chinese Communists) is completely irrelevant.
Navigator Wrote:> 3. I do not think you are an idiot. I am just skeptical of
> something this inflammatory (as I believe you were originally). It
> may very well be true. I looked at your sources regarding the
> speech. They also appear to be referencing either the Epoch Times
> original piece, or they allow anonymous posting (which to me means
> that someone could take the Epoch Times article, copy it, and then
> post it to that site). I wish that we could get verification from
> someone that was there, or other kind of corroboration. I know
> that this may not be possible.
I have no idea what you mean by saying that I was originally
inflammatory. I just went back and read my original posts about the
Haotian speech, including the web log article, and I don't see anything
that was inflammatory. In fact, I was trying very hard not to be
inflammatory, since I knew "skeptical" people would call me on it.
Also the Chi Haotian letter itself is not inflammatory -- not in the
context of Communist Chinese culture. As I've said several times,
I've done an enormous amount of research. In the past, I've posted
thousands of articles on China, and I've written an entire book on
China. As I've said, I've immersed myself in research on this letter
the last few days.
Chi's speech is just the next step. That is, Mao Zedong laid
down his theory, Deng Xiaoping advanced that theory, and Chi Haotian's
speech advances Communist Party theory even further. The big advance
in Communist Party theory came about after the Tiananmen Square
massacre and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Chi's speech
describes the evolution of theory from Mao to Deng and then in the
90s, and projects that theory into the future by specifying what
action must be taken.
If you want to do some actual research, rather than just rejecting all
the research I've done, then read the following, which I referenced
earlier:
-- China’s Role in the Chemical and Biological Disarmament Regimes --
Eric Croddy
https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-cont...91crod.pdf
(NonProliferation.org, March 2002)
This is an American analysis that corresponds closely to the Chi
Haotian analysis. In particular, it covers the plan for nuclear and
biological weapons, so those parts of Chi's speech are not extremist.
So really the only "extremist" part of Chi's speech, and the part that
I found most startling, was the strategy to defeat America "in one big
blow," and then use biochemical weapons to "clean up America" so that
the Chinese can colonize. But once again, Chi shows that this was the
logical next step from things that Mao and Deng said, especially
havling suffered through the One Child Policy for thirty years.
Here's something to keep in mind: The Chi Haotion speech, if valid, is
not just an ordinary leak. It's a leak of the entire Chinese
Communist military strategy, from top to bottom. It's no wonder that
they're responding to it with silence.
Still, I'd be very interested in hearing what your well-connected
military and intelligence friends have to say, if they're willing. As
I said, I predict silence.
