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(08-23-2021, 02:07 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: ** 23-Aug-2021 World View: The FBI and the Staged Insurrection

(08-23-2021, 10:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: >   I reread the Reuters article, and have a hard time getting the
>   same "information" from it that you did.  The only thing that
>   seems to be off the table is seditious insurrection, because they
>   were too stupid to have more than a plan to break-in.  That hardly
>   makes them innocent (especially when you cite BLM protests as
>   models needing prosecution). There's still plenty there without
>   that, and a few of them will get years behind bars for their
>   trouble.  Some BLM protestors will too.

Did you read what you've written?  There's NO INSURRECTION!  The
"insurrection" WAS A HOAX perpetrated by your (vile word redacted)
pals in the Democrat party.

That makes about as much sense as saying that Roman Polanski staged the Tate-LaBianca murders by the Manson cult. Just because Roman Polanski was then capable of staging a convincing movie and has done some sleazy things since then does not mean that he would arrange some horrible murders. Maybe the vast majority of people in the Capitol building were snookered into what they considered a peaceful protest, taking the words of Donald Trump literally. They are that gullible. But there were some monstrously-vile deeds. Attacking police officers is an inexcusable crime. 

Illicit behavior that has gullibility or stupidity behind it often becomes catastrophe. 

Now here's what I can't understand: the counting of the electoral vote was a formality that usually gets little attention in the media because it simply ratifies what we know. It's ordinarily about as predictable as elections in Commie countries, which explains why American news media paid little attention to Commie elections.  

We all know that in accordance with law an election for President and Vice-President (and for many different public offices) was held on November 3, 2020, and in accordance with laws defining the procedure of the election and the count. If you dislike the result, then welcome to the club. Few people vote "right" in all elections and are satisfied with the results of all Presidential elections. If the riotous mob really had taken over the Capitol building long enough, then the official meeting of the electors could have taken place in some other place and still been official -- let us say a pro hockey rink or pro basketball court, a giant theater or concert hall (the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts), the Pentagon, or a giant college hall. A hint: the US Naval Academy is in Annapolis.         

Quote:It's not even clear that "trespassing" was a crime on January 6, since
the Capitol was/is open to the public, and Capitol police apparently
invited the protesters to enter the building.  If some people
illegally trespassed, or if they broke a couple of windows, then fine,
prosecute them, though they should be out on bail within a couple of
days.

Getting into a building contrary to authorization, going into a part of a building in which one is not authorized to go, or remaining in that building after one has no permission to stay there is burglary. About the only exceptions involve an assumption of permission (thus police doing an authorized raid on a drug den  or firefighters breaking into a house to rescue people or fight a fire  are not burglars even if they break in, and I wouldn't press charges on someone who broke into my house for shelter from a tornado.  

People have no right to disrupt a session of Congress or to do a partisan protest. A Black Lives Matter protest or a Gay Pride event would be at least as unlawful. The Capitol is the wrong place for the expression of partisan politics through shouting, parading, or introducing flags.  

I don't ordinarily predict the results of trials not yet completed, but in general, those who have more mitigating factors in their favor get off lightly if convicted. There's a wide variety of behavior, and those that do not involve security breaches or overt violence and did not organize the riot will get slaps on the wrist. 
  

Quote:But many of the so-called "insurrectionists" were simply standing
around on the Capitol steps or outside the building.  They committed
no crime whatsoever, except the crime of being Trump supporters, but
they've were thrown in jail for months, often in solitary confinement.
Compare that to the antifa-blm fascists who burned down buildings and
cars, but still walk free.

Simply standing on the steps? That would be innocuous.

Supporting Donald Trump is not a crime. People are still flying Trump banners and wearing MAGA caps in the rural county in which I live. I think it foolish, but people do plenty of stupid things, like smoking, getting drunk, failing to pay bills... 

Quote:So the next question is: Why did the Democrats leak the story about
"scant evidence"?  What was their motive?  Tucker Carlson has
investigated and believes that it was to prevent FBI agents in the
crowd from being identified.

There is plenty of evidence. Many participants had selfies of themselves at the event and transmitted them to friends. Some may have sent the selfies to their kids who were with the other spouse who has been subjected to domestic violence or has been getting child support less regularly than is mandated by a court decision. "Hey, Mommy! Daddy went to the Capitol in Washington and sent these pictures"... and she is stuck in some dump like Portsmouth, Ohio where she struggles to meet the bills.  Hello, FBI! One fellow, Olympic champion Klete Keller, wore his Olympic jacket into the Capitol... he was easy to identify. 

The Capitol Putsch is resoundingly unpopular in America. There will be people who claim after being misidentified that they were in Pittsburgh that day... and perhaps they were... to get on a plane to Baltimore or Washington. They may have rented a car, and rental cars have GPS on them. I expect rental-car companies to buckle about the movements of people who rented their vehicles when they get a court order to discuss the matter. It's much like financial records. People have ratted on participants. People have turned themselves in. 

Advice to anyone being grilled on participation in the event: DO NOT LIE. The FBI does not use the brutal methods that one associates with the Gestapo, KGB, or Mukhabarat. It doesn't need to beat an abject confession out of someone. Innocent people have nothing to lie about. Offenders have plenty to lie about. The FBI finds the liar and thus the offender.          

Quote:The January 6 show had a predecessor -- a 2020 hoax to accuse a group
of Trump supporters of trying to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen
Whitmer.  It now turns out that the entire attempt was provoked by a
dozen FBI agents who had infiltrated the group and helped them plan
the entire plot.  The FBI was extremely embarrassed when the identity
of the FBI agents was revealed.

-- The group accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer was
  riddled with FBI informants who took leading roles, according to
  BuzzFeed
https://www.insider.com/kidnapping-consp...ort-2021-7
(Insider.com, 21-Jul-2021)

Yup -- infiltrate (someone gets cold feet and talks to the FBI when so serious a crime as kidnapping or murder is possible) and pose as potential accomplices. Those who get cold feet become FBI assets and remain insiders, and the plot unravels just before something can go seriously wrong. Very often one of the participants is tricked into an illicit transaction involving a firearm or explosives.   

Quote:So Tucker Carlson believes that the "scant evidence" leak was used to
prevent the false accusations from going to trial, so that the FBI
agents in the January 6 hoax would not revealed.  This is entirely
plausible, in view of Whitmer kidnapping hoax.

There was no kidnapping of Governor Whitmer; the plot was thwarted. There is thus no hoax. Law enforcement did what it was supposed to do. This said, I have seen some of the reporting, and the participants seem like a bunch of real losers. 

Quote:-- Tucker Carlson sees coverup plot behind announcement FBI found
  little evidence of coordination among Jan. 6 demonstrators
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/202...tors_.html
(American Thinker, 21-Aug-2021)

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Tucker Carlson is not a credible source, and "The American Thinker"... well...

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American Thinker is a conservative news and opinion blog founded in 2003 by Thomas Lifson (He frequently writes for the conspiracy site The Liberty Beacon) and Health Care consultant Richard Baehr (he also writes frequently for PJ Media, Jewish Policy Center, and Israel Hayom). Both Liftson and Baehr are Kenyon College Alumni. According to an interview with Richard Baehr, he originally launched the website as a forum: “I think we have one of the most thoughtful online forums out there,” Thomas Lifson is currently the Editor and Publisher of the site. 

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The American Thinker does not disclose who owns the website. The website is funded through donations and online ads and offers an “ad-free experience for a small fee.” 

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American Thinker consists of two sections, one is articles, and the other one is a blog. You can check out their archives Here. 

In review, American Thinker uses strong emotionally loaded language in their headlines: “The Most Memorable Leftist Hypocrisies of 2017-8”. This article is authored by Robert Oscar Lopez, who writes with extremely biased language: “The left is composed of horrible people.  Most sane people realize this, even if they have friends on the dark side.” Another article with loaded wording is this one: “The Great Depression of 2019?” Although they utilize credible sources such as thebalance.com, CNBC, New York Times, The Guardian and factually mixed sources such as LifeZette, Wall Street Journal, Human Events.com, they also utilize questionable sources to back their claims, such as Breitbart and non-credible conservative blogs such as michaelsavage.com.  


According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, American Thinker has published Anti-LGBT articles and those by prominent white nationalist Jared Taylor. Further, American Thinker routinely publishes conspiracy theories, such as those by Pamela Geller, who is also on the SPLC’s hate watch list due to anti-Islam positions: Report: Obama said ‘I Am a Muslim,’ which has been debunked as a false claim. They have also promoted conspiracies about the Seth Rich Murder, and they have published numerous articles that are not supportive of the consensus of science, such as this one: The Hoax of ‘Climate Change.’

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