Election 2020

[Eric the Green]

(05-22-2019, 03:03 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-22-2019, 07:52 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: Kerry wouldn't get out of the then Blue Wall (that Trump broke).  That isn't enough to get elected.  McCain made a bad bad bad mistake in 2008 in that he picked Palin who proceeded to make an ass of herself nationally.  Caribou Barbie would have been less of an issue had the man not been so old.

When the parties run someone who is very old it matters who they pick as VP.  Which is why Pence for his flaws was a good pick for Trump.  He had Senate Experience and could work the Hill (which is largely what he does for Trump) and wasn't so out there that he scares away most Americans.

Back in the day, Kerry took the hot seat in DC for the Winter Soldier investigations, which put him squarely in the sights of one Richard Milhouse Nixon.  I was a VVAW member at the time, and remember that it was the only antiwar movement that had traction, and that pissed-off a lot of powerful people.  How that made him a bland and safe candidate 3 decades later is a mystery.

Well, not to me. I too thought for many years he had a strong rhetorical ability. But the blandness was there too all along. If I had developed the horoscope scores that I have now in earlier years to guide me, I would have seen it more clearly.

Here are the scores for recent nominees:

Elections from 1932 to 2016: 
1932: Franklin D Roosevelt (FDR) 21-4 U, Herbert Hoover 11-11* 
1936: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Alf Landon 10-16 
1940: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Wendell Wilkie 8-9 
1944: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN 
1948: Harry Truman 14-0, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN 
1952: Dwight Eisenhower 17-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21 
1956: Dwight Eisenhower 17-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21* 
1960: John F Kennedy (JFK) 13-6, Richard Nixon 18-7 
1964: Lyndon B Johnson (LBJ) 8-6 J*, Barry Goldwater 20-11** (he had Mars in Scorpio rising, with inharmonious aspects: the perfect symbol of his stubborn "extremism") 
1968: Richard Nixon 18-7*, Hubert Humphrey 9-5**, George Wallace 2-7 J (+ Mars rising) 
1972: Richard Nixon 18-7*, George McGovern 9-10 
1976: Jimmy Carter 12-4, Gerald Ford 12-8 
1980: Ronald Reagan 21-6, Jimmy Carter 12-4*, John Anderson 14-8 J* 
1984: Ronald Reagan 21-6, Walter Mondale 12-12 J/U* 
1988: George H W Bush 14-6, Michael Dukakis 2-10* 
1992: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, George H W Bush 14-6, Ross Perot 7-10 (his Jupiter rising is evident, but it was 10 degrees above his ascendant, so I didn't count it officially) 
1996: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, Bob Dole 12-19, Ross Perot 7-10 
2000: George W Bush 17-2*, Al Gore 10-9 (Mars rising) 
2004: George W Bush 17-2*, John Kerry 8-12 (his score was much weaker in the revised system) 
2008: Barack Obama 19-2, John McCain 15-13 
2012: Barack Obama 19-2, Mitt Romney 4-10 U, SN 
2016: Donald Trump 9-4 (Mars rising), Hillary Rodham Clinton 9-11 J

J = Jupiter rising, additional positive factor, if known
U = Uranus rising, a weak positive factor
* Saturn Return in upcoming term, a negative factor
** Saturn Return before the other candidate; negative factor that takes precedence
(candidates can still win if the Saturn Return occurs in an election year, but the term is a disaster)
SN = chart shows Saturn at the Nadir, a negative factor
http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentia...ScoredWhat