11-13-2019, 12:14 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-13-2019, 06:19 PM by Eric the Green.)
The pundits have placed Warren as the major challenger to Biden, and have largely forgotten Bernie. But Warren has become stuck at 20% in the polls, and 6-8 points behind Biden, while Bernie is 3-4 point behind Elizabeth now and poised to possibly regain second place. Warren has had her bump, and it's over, even if she barely wins in Iowa among 4 candidates who all get about the same vote.
A progressive nominee needs to be Bernie. Warren is a policy wonk and talks and acts exactly like Crusader Rabbit. The resemblance is truly uncanny. Warren has great policies and I agree with her a lot. But that doesn't mean she can win. If Bernie regains second place and Warren stays strong in third and they both hang on into the convention, then if the two of them join forces and get their delegates behind Bernie, then Bernie could beat Biden and go on to defeat Trump. It might happen is Trump is weakened. But I don't think the reverse, Bernie dropping out and supporting Warren for the nomination, will work out in the Fall.
Warren's horoscope score is only 8-7, and that's going up against Trump's 9-4. But Biden and Sanders have 14-7, according to my recent count. That means they both have a chance. The scores indicate very well the appeal of a presidential candidate in the USA. The history is there, and it demonstrates that when Democrats nominate policy wonks who can't communicate and aren't likable, or when Republicans nominate sourpusses and non-entities, they lose.
Elections from 1932 to 2016:
1932: Franklin D Roosevelt (FDR) 21-4 U, Herbert Hoover 11-11*
1936: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Alf Landon 10-16
1940: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Wendell Wilkie 8-9
1944: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN
1948: Harry Truman 14-0, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN
1952: Dwight Eisenhower 18-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21
1956: Dwight Eisenhower 18-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21*
1960: John F Kennedy (JFK) 13-6, Richard Nixon 18-7
1964: Lyndon B Johnson (LBJ) 8-6 J*, Barry Goldwater 20-11** (he had Mars in Scorpio rising, with inharmonious aspects: the perfect symbol of his stubborn "extremism")
1968: Richard Nixon 18-7*, Hubert Humphrey 9-5**, George Wallace 2-7 J (+ Mars rising)
1972: Richard Nixon 18-7*, George McGovern 9-10
1976: Jimmy Carter 12-4, Gerald Ford 12-8
1980: Ronald Reagan 22-6, Jimmy Carter 12-4*, John Anderson 14-8 J*
1984: Ronald Reagan 22-6, Walter Mondale 12-12 J/U*
1988: George H W Bush 14-6, Michael Dukakis 2-10*
1992: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, George H W Bush 14-6, Ross Perot 7-10 (his Jupiter rising is evident, but it was 10 degrees above his ascendant, so I didn't count it officially)
1996: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, Bob Dole 12-19, Ross Perot 7-10
2000: George W Bush 17-2*, Al Gore 10-9 (Mars rising)
2004: George W Bush 17-2*, John Kerry 8-12 (his score was much weaker in the revised system)
2008: Barack Obama 19-2, John McCain 15-13
2012: Barack Obama 19-2, Mitt Romney 4-10 U, SN
2016: Donald Trump 9-4 (Mars rising), Hillary Rodham Clinton 9-11 J
http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentia...ScoredWhat
Buttigieg (7-8), Harris (4-16) and Yang (8-15) have negative scores. They are not likely to be nominated, but if they are, they are certain to lose in November. All those who have dropped out so far have negative scores. Michael Bennet (8-9) has a negative score and he's falling into last place now. Castro (8-13) and Booker (6-7) have negative scores and they will drop out in due course. The others are not strong enough either.
Bernie Sanders, 14-7
Joe Biden, 14-7
Elizabeth Warren, 8-7
Kamala Harris, 4-16*
Beto O'Rourke, 11-26
Pete Buttigieg, 7-8
Cory Booker, 6-7
Amy Klobuchar, 7-7
Kirsten Gillibrand, 7-13 ("Mrs. Firebrand" would score 9-11 if born before 6 AM)
Joe & Julian Castro, 8-13
Tulsi Gabbard, 11-6
Steve Bullock, 10-7
Marianne Williamson, 13-14
Andrew Yang, 8-15
John Delaney, 7-5*
John Hickenlooper, 6-12
Bill DeBlasio, 12-17*
Eric Swalwell, 4-6
Jay Inslee, 3-7
Michael Bennet, 8-9*
Seth Moulton, 9-10
Tom Steyer, 11-7
Tim Ryan, 3-12
Joe Sestak, 3-10
Michael Bloomberg, 7-5
Deval Patrick, 9-6
J = Jupiter rising, a positive factor
* = Saturn Return, a major obstacle; those who won anyway had it coming in an election year, and they suffered disaster
** = Saturn Return before the opponent's, usually takes precedence
U = Uranus rising, a minor positive factor
SN = Saturn at the Nadir, a minor negative factor
A progressive nominee needs to be Bernie. Warren is a policy wonk and talks and acts exactly like Crusader Rabbit. The resemblance is truly uncanny. Warren has great policies and I agree with her a lot. But that doesn't mean she can win. If Bernie regains second place and Warren stays strong in third and they both hang on into the convention, then if the two of them join forces and get their delegates behind Bernie, then Bernie could beat Biden and go on to defeat Trump. It might happen is Trump is weakened. But I don't think the reverse, Bernie dropping out and supporting Warren for the nomination, will work out in the Fall.
Warren's horoscope score is only 8-7, and that's going up against Trump's 9-4. But Biden and Sanders have 14-7, according to my recent count. That means they both have a chance. The scores indicate very well the appeal of a presidential candidate in the USA. The history is there, and it demonstrates that when Democrats nominate policy wonks who can't communicate and aren't likable, or when Republicans nominate sourpusses and non-entities, they lose.
Elections from 1932 to 2016:
1932: Franklin D Roosevelt (FDR) 21-4 U, Herbert Hoover 11-11*
1936: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Alf Landon 10-16
1940: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U*, Wendell Wilkie 8-9
1944: Franklin D Roosevelt 21-4 U, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN
1948: Harry Truman 14-0, Thomas Dewey 8-6 SN
1952: Dwight Eisenhower 18-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21
1956: Dwight Eisenhower 18-8, Adlai Stevenson 5-21*
1960: John F Kennedy (JFK) 13-6, Richard Nixon 18-7
1964: Lyndon B Johnson (LBJ) 8-6 J*, Barry Goldwater 20-11** (he had Mars in Scorpio rising, with inharmonious aspects: the perfect symbol of his stubborn "extremism")
1968: Richard Nixon 18-7*, Hubert Humphrey 9-5**, George Wallace 2-7 J (+ Mars rising)
1972: Richard Nixon 18-7*, George McGovern 9-10
1976: Jimmy Carter 12-4, Gerald Ford 12-8
1980: Ronald Reagan 22-6, Jimmy Carter 12-4*, John Anderson 14-8 J*
1984: Ronald Reagan 22-6, Walter Mondale 12-12 J/U*
1988: George H W Bush 14-6, Michael Dukakis 2-10*
1992: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, George H W Bush 14-6, Ross Perot 7-10 (his Jupiter rising is evident, but it was 10 degrees above his ascendant, so I didn't count it officially)
1996: Bill Clinton 21-3 J, Bob Dole 12-19, Ross Perot 7-10
2000: George W Bush 17-2*, Al Gore 10-9 (Mars rising)
2004: George W Bush 17-2*, John Kerry 8-12 (his score was much weaker in the revised system)
2008: Barack Obama 19-2, John McCain 15-13
2012: Barack Obama 19-2, Mitt Romney 4-10 U, SN
2016: Donald Trump 9-4 (Mars rising), Hillary Rodham Clinton 9-11 J
http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentia...ScoredWhat
Buttigieg (7-8), Harris (4-16) and Yang (8-15) have negative scores. They are not likely to be nominated, but if they are, they are certain to lose in November. All those who have dropped out so far have negative scores. Michael Bennet (8-9) has a negative score and he's falling into last place now. Castro (8-13) and Booker (6-7) have negative scores and they will drop out in due course. The others are not strong enough either.
Bernie Sanders, 14-7
Joe Biden, 14-7
Elizabeth Warren, 8-7
Kamala Harris, 4-16*
Beto O'Rourke, 11-26
Pete Buttigieg, 7-8
Cory Booker, 6-7
Amy Klobuchar, 7-7
Kirsten Gillibrand, 7-13 ("Mrs. Firebrand" would score 9-11 if born before 6 AM)
Joe & Julian Castro, 8-13
Tulsi Gabbard, 11-6
Steve Bullock, 10-7
Marianne Williamson, 13-14
Andrew Yang, 8-15
John Delaney, 7-5*
John Hickenlooper, 6-12
Bill DeBlasio, 12-17*
Eric Swalwell, 4-6
Jay Inslee, 3-7
Michael Bennet, 8-9*
Seth Moulton, 9-10
Tom Steyer, 11-7
Tim Ryan, 3-12
Joe Sestak, 3-10
Michael Bloomberg, 7-5
Deval Patrick, 9-6
J = Jupiter rising, a positive factor
* = Saturn Return, a major obstacle; those who won anyway had it coming in an election year, and they suffered disaster
** = Saturn Return before the opponent's, usually takes precedence
U = Uranus rising, a minor positive factor
SN = Saturn at the Nadir, a minor negative factor