Election 2020

[JDG 66]

(03-18-2020, 05:59 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(03-18-2020, 05:05 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-18-2020, 01:13 PM)JDG 66 Wrote:

(03-18-2020, 12:49 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-18-2020, 11:32 AM)JDG 66 Wrote: 1) Explain why Obama gave the Russians exactly what they wanted, after they "gave him space" so he could get reelected, and after he was no longer electorally responsible to the American people. It's in every video of the hot mic incident. Sheesh.

2) Evidence for Shokin dragging his feet? When was he charged?

BTW, the only Barr seems to be dragging his feet on is bringing the FISA conspirators to justice.

3) USA Today glorified opinion piece fails to explain anything. Why do you think it was wrong for Trump to ask the Ukrainians to investigate the DNC's election violations of their own laws, or the Biden crime family?

So, you 've got nothing.  Just as I thought.

-Obama's on tape, promising the Russians to chuck Eastern European defenses if they go easy on him in 2012. Quid pro quo. Sheesh. Meanwhile, the transcript between Trump and Zelensky shows no quid pro quo, but that's an impeachment. Whatever.

Obama did tell Medvedev in 2012 that after Obama's re-election he could be more flexible in his negotiations. I don't remember any specifics being given (I see David says he showed you some). Meanwhile, the quid pro quo given by Trump to Zelensky could not be more clear, along with what was told by a number of witnesses. But that's an acquittal, Sheesh. Whatever.

It may be ironic, but Russia could get better deals that stuck with Obama than Russia could get with Trump. The difference isn't that Obama is more pliable; it is instead that deals that Trump and Putin make can omplode because of weak connection to national interests. 

Dirty dealings may look more attractive at the outset, but honest dealings -- good for good -- can readily have more lasting value.

Let's see, what did Obama give Putin?

1) Got rid of Eastern European missile defense in return for nothing;

2) Drew a so-called red line in the sand over Syria, and then did nothing when Vlad ignored him, partly because he was sucking up to the Russians, in part because he was sucking up to the Iranians;

3) Refused to allow US companies to sell weapons to the Ukrainians because he didn't want to poke the Bear;

4) Made a deal with Putin's debtor, Iran, making sure that they'd have the money to pay off their debts, thus giving Putin more money, not to mention helping to finance the Qods Force, Iranian missile developement, Hezb Allah, the Badr Corps, the Huthis, etc., etc, but that another story;

5) Recognized Putin's buddies in Cuba in return for, uh, what?

6)  Fought drilling and fracking in the USA all he could, thus helping keep Russia (and Iran, and Venezuela, and...) rich;

7) Signed off on a bogus investigation of the Trump campaign based on a Putin disinformation campaign.