08-24-2020, 06:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-24-2020, 06:16 AM by Eric the Green.)
(08-24-2020, 05:38 AM)Isoko Wrote: Eric,
It depends ultimately on the polls. The ones that I have read actually have stated that yes, some Zoomers are left wing but there is a growing trend in them turning towards the right. One poll I read stated that when it came to both millennials and Zoomers, the millennials at 18 - 24 were very much left wing where as the Zoomers have been showing a move towards the right at the same age.
What we have to understand about the Zoomers Eric is that there push towards the right isn't about race, nostalgia or anything else. It's purely about economics. The current left wing status quo does not profit them.
Ha ha. I don't think you quite have a handle on what's been going on in the USA. There is no current left wing status quo. The USA has been dominated by the right wing for 40 years now, with only a year or two of power by the center. No-one paying attention fails to notice that Reaganomics (trickle-down, free-market neo-liberal ideology) has been dominant for 40 years, and has ruined the economy-- especially for the young. Wealth is concentrated in the white upper classes, thanks entirely to this "government is the problem" ideology.
Quote:You are right, they are a diverse generation but once again, how does being left wing benefit you in today's society? It doesn't. With debt ridden economics, a falling QoL, immigration as an economic source of competition along with declining morality values, it makes sense that the turn towards the right is starting to happen in the Zoomers.
It's all about the economics of it. Pure and simple.
Again, I am not going to agree with scapegoating immigrants, and we've been over that enough.
The debt-ridden economy, created by the right-wing domination's borrow-and-spend policies, is not a big problem right now, at least for the national government, because interest rates and taxes are low. The left (or in this country, the center-left, which is the only version of "left" that ever has national power in the USA), always benefits the people, while domination by conservatives hurts most people and benefits only the wealthy. Stats have shown that over and over again. Higher taxes on the wealthy enables the government to redistribute wealth that has been extorted by the bosses from their employees, though government spending on infrastructure, education, public services, R&D, tax credits and grants, etc. as well as public employment in these activities. The left raises minimum wages, which benefits workers at every wage scale. The Left relaxes restrictions on unions, which have declined under Reaganomics/neo-liberalism/free-market/trickle-down ideology, thus causing middle class decline. The Left have been the ones that have been opposed to unrestricted free trade, although Trump talks a good game on the subject. The bosses have sent jobs overseas, cut wages, cut jobs through buyouts, ruined the economy with speculation, and dominate politics through enabling big-money control of it, which the Left opposes. The Left advocates a more fair politics not dominated by money, which would allow more laws and policies that favor working people and poor people instead of the wealthy.
Quote:For some reason, you just cannot see this. You keep repeating the same old mantra that we must all keep embracing the left because the left is progress and everything is left and left is great. Can't you wake up and see that you cannot keep going left anymore?
At some point Eric, that pendulum is going to swing back to the right again. Then it will swing left. Then it will swing right. And it will keep doing so until the end of days.
What I want you to do is take a thought exercise. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the right winger. Try to envision yourself as a zoomer. Try to understand the other side. Then you will find your answers and the truth.
The pendulum in the USA swung right in 1980 and has never swung back. Your view on this is the polar opposite of the truth. Progress has been stalled for 40 years of Republican control. The Left is always the direction of progress. The Left supports democracy and human rights, and it supports government activities which restrain the bosses and make sure everyone has opportunity to get ahead and get a step up as needed. It is time finally for progress to start again after 40 years of stagnation, abject regression and decline. A society cannot long survive whose citizens are constantly frustrated and held down.
I understand the right-winger all too well. You asked me to do two contradictory things. "Try to put yourself in the shoes of the right winger. Try to envision yourself as a zoomer." Zoomers, who are all still under 18, are not right-wingers. The right-wingers are consumed with prejudice, and are provincial in their outlook. They tend to be older and white and male. They have nothing to do with truth that I can see these days. The USA is polarized today between right and wrong, and the right is wrong. I don't mind saying so. A healthy society is one that is always moving left; always moving forward. Even if in a circuitous way. What atrophies society is when the powers that be are stuck on the status quo. Which has been the case for 40 years of "government is the problem" and an inviolate "free" market.
That doesn't mean that everything that any leftist proposes is best. There's always room for debate and discussion to find the right policy that is most workable at any given time. In that sense, there's room for conservatism. But not of the kind that exists on the right wing today. It has to go.