Election 2020

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(09-18-2020, 04:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-18-2020, 03:23 PM)Isoko Wrote: From the polls I'm reading, Trump is starting to narrow it down in Florida to the point it is neck and neck. Pennsylvania is getting pretty tight too. This is starting to remind me again of 2016. Which means Trump is starting to capitalise on that law and order message.

I agree with Eric though. In normal presidential times, Trump would have been impeached or faced some tribunal or something. Yet these are not normal times. It's hard to imagine Nixon had to resign over Watergate... 

Honestly, the US right now is starting to resemble something like a banana Republic.

One could look at it another way and say, in normal Presidential times, the Democrats would've have been able to be forced to do something stupid like impeach Trump without evidence or make an attempt to illegally remove him from office?

Once President Trump attempted to blackmail the President of another country to announce an investigation (a valid investigation would go secretly) of the son of a likely challenger to him, the Democrats had to impeach him. The deed was so abusive, corrupt, and egregious that impeachment was necessary irrespective of the political consequences. There was no shortage of evidence against him. Trump got off on a partisan vote to acquit, but an impeachment vote can result in some form of censure that would have been a warning of some kind, if not more than a slap on the wrist. In a nearly-partisan split, Republicans prevented even that.

Impeachment is not the equivalent of a parliamentary vote of no confidence. It is no triviality. 

If a Democrat had done something like what Trump did, then you would be screaming bloody murder. So would I, but remember: most of us Democrats insist upon integrity in the people that we elect. 

Quote:As I've mentioned, we have several Democratic states that are already viewed as banana Republics and several American states who have no interest in becoming more like them and when the two eventually clash we know what's going to happen to the banana Republics. Eric doesn't want to see it or accept the consequences of being associated with years of stupidity and turning democracy into a means to raise wages, provide free healthcare and advance via race or gender or sexual preference and creates alternative avenues for imbeciles to enter office and make millions by seeming to oppose but eventually going along for the ride.

For real incompetence, look at the infection rates now among the states for SARS-2. Lethal respiratory infections are rare in First World countries except among people with very bad habits (like IV drug use) or compromised immune systems (HIV/AIDS, congestive heart failure, emphysema, cancer, etc.) The total of deaths in America has reached 200,000, which is bigger than such places as Tallahassee, Florida; Akron, Ohio (home of Goodyear Tire Company):: Little Rock, Arkansas; Montgomery, Alabama; Yonkers, New York (yes it is a suburb, but it has had some independence in the past); Augusta, Georgia (home of the Masters Tournament that got cancelled this year),  with the number just passing Amarillo, Texas. 

Coming soon? Salt Lake City (home of the one branch of Christianity founded in America, the Church of Latter Day Saints, a/k/a Mormons), Huntsville, Alabama (home of American rocket development); Grand Rapids, Michigan (home of our 38th President Gerald Ford, whom Trump makes look great by contrast), and Des Moines, Iowa. At 210,000 we get what used to be the Camera City, a/k/a Rochester, New York. 

How states responded has mattered greatly. My state, Michigan, got hit early and hard and at one point was fourth in infections and deaths. It is now ninth. Of course we would have rather that there be far fewer infections and deaths from the Trump Plague One thing that will not recover in Michigan is Donald Trump's chance of winning Michigan; the matchups typically have Trump behind 7 to 10%, which might not be all due to COVID-19. 

The real slaughter from COVID-19 is starting to appear in the Third World, at least in countries that like the United States have very poor social safety nets.    

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Now for real stupidity: elective office does not operate in accordance with affirmative action. Second, democracy implies the right to use the political system for attempts to improve the conditions of voters. We are not free to do everything except contest our economic conditions.    

Quote:You think it's ugly now, what you see now is CHILD'S PLAY compared to what you're going to see when the American right decides it time to intervene and start scaring the shit out of Democrats by slaughtering a bunch of their rioters and lynching some spoiled rotten rich kids directly associated with the Liberal elites. I can tell you this, their fucked up kids will find no sympathy among us or the working class people they seem OK with disrupting and destroying right now. Shit, I care more about the working class minorities than the fucking big city clowns who are paid to care about them, provide adequate protection/security for their neighborhoods and business's. It's pretty clear that you're only getting half the information you need to make an accurate assessment.

Vigilante activity is itself lawlessness. You practically suggest a state of insurrection in which people who hold opinions different from those of people with views like yours can shoot wildly into crowds that may include both peaceful protesters and rioters alike. Rioters and looters deserve the special attention of law enforcement because peaceful protests are lawful and exploiting a peaceful protest with felony crimes is... well... crime. Peaceful protesters cannot be counted upon as friends of looters and rioters. 

Lynching is also lawlessness. Lynching spoiled-rotten kids of the economic elite sounds familiar. Bolshevism, maybe?

Get help.