Election 2020

[pbrower2a]

(09-25-2020, 03:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(09-24-2020, 08:20 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: When your political agenda is nothing more than "stick it to the opponents", you eventually end up in the position in which others stick it  to you. It's a primitive attitude, one that some people never outgrow.

You're a logical man at times. It's too bad that you're not able to see and equally apply these days. "Stick it to the opponents" seems to be the common theme of both sides these days vs the common theme of the Liberal side. I assume the old social buffers and protections that still existed back then no longer exists today which means we are much closer to directly responding to each other with violence or equal in kind than we were twenty years ago. I have to say, you aren't as hard to attack and criticize as you're Liberal predecessors were back then. Plus, Karma's a bitch.

Did you think that anyone would respond to someone like the late Charles Manson by showering him with honors and rewarding him with comfort and indulgence? He had to know as long as he lived that Humanity in general despised him. 

We liberals have learned a few things; we can refine our view of the universe when we discover that much of what we think we know simply isn't so. Speaking of crime, we used to believe that crime was the consequence of poverty, or as one of the bad kids in West Side Story says "I'm depraved on account of how I'm deprived". 

Quote:Hey you, who me Officer Krupke?
Yeah, you, give me one good reason
For not draggin' you down to the station house
You punk

Dear, dear, dear kindly Sergeant Krupke you gotta understand
It's just our bringin' up-ke that gets us out of hand
Our mothers all are junkies, our fathers all are drunks
Golly Moses, naturally we're punks

Gee, Officer Krupke we're very upset
We never had the love that every child oughta get
We ain't no delinquents, we're misunderstood
Deep down inside us there is good

There is good, there is good
There is good, there is untapped good
Like inside the worst of us is good
Oh, look at that good, good baby
That's a nice baby actually, yeah

Oh, that's a touchin' good story
Oh well, lemme tell it to the world
Just tell it to the judge
Ooh yeah, judge, that's a good idea, stop

Dear kindly judge, your honor, my parents treat me rough
With all their marijuana they won't give me a puff
They didn't wanna have me but somehow I was had
Leapin' lizards, that's why I'm so bad

Right, Officer Krupke you're really a square
This boy don't need a judge, he needs an analyst's care
It's just his neurosis that oughta be curbed
He's psychologically disturbed

I'm disturbed
We're disturbed, we're disturbed
We're the most disturbed
Like we're psychologically disturbed

Hear ye, hear ye, in the opinion on this court
This child is depraved on account
He ain't had a normal home
Hey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprived

So take him to a headshrinker
Oh no, goodbye buddy boy

My father's a bastard, my ma's an S.O.B
My grandpa's always plastered, my grandma pushes tea
My sister wears a mustache, my brother wears a dress
Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess

Yes, Officer Krupke you're really a slob
This boy don't need a doctor just a good honest job
Society's played him a terrible trick
And sociologically he's sick

I am sick
We are sick, we are sick
We are sick, sick, sick,
Like we're sociologically sick, oh yeah

In my opinion this child don't need to have his head shrunk at all
Juvenile delinquency is purely a social disease
Hey, I got a social disease
So take him to a social worker

Dear kindly, social worker, they say go earn a buck
Like be a soda jerker which means like be a schmuck
It's not I'm antisocial, I'm only anti-work
Gloryosky, that's why I'm a jerk

Officer Krupke, you've done it again
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen
It ain't just a question of misunderstood
Deep down inside him he's no good

I'm no good
We're no good, we're no good
We're no earthly good
Like the best of us is no damn good

The trouble is he's crazy, the trouble is he drinks
The trouble is he's lazy, the trouble is he stinks
The trouble is he's growing, the trouble is he's grown
Krupke, we got troubles of our own

Gee, Officer Krupke we're down on our knees
'Cause no one wants a fellow with a social disease
Gee, Officer Krupke what are we to do?
Gee, Officer Krupke, Krup you

http://www.songlyrics.com/west-side-stor...ke-lyrics/


Lots of good people live in bad neighborhoods and have limited opportunities, which explains why "community organizers" can operate in the classic "bad neighborhoods" without being killed, robbed, and raped. As it turns out, a few sociopaths do the vast majority of the crime.  People are not depraved on "account of how they are deprived". Democracy, when it works well, gives people the means of challenging their deprivation -- part of which includes appealing to the goodness of people not deprived. With these punks mocking Officer Krupke and the System as a whole while not taking the first step out of poverty (taking a job). 

So Dad is born out of wedlock, his mother is a Nasty Woman, his grandfather is drunk, and his grandmother deals illegal substances (back then "tea" was slang for marijuana).   A version that I thought I heard has "my grandpa is a Commie". Well, there are variants. 

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It's not good to live among unloving parents, to face abuse and neglect or (almost as bad) a careening between being pushed into the background and indulged lavishly*. Being rejected for being gay or identifying with a different religion or culture is not good for some minimal need for self esteem. Evil can come from people who supposedly have all the advantages; some of the most egregious perpetrators of the Holocaust were aristocrats who could wallow in luxuriant excess for being born into the right family. Then you figure that aristocratic elites see themselves entitled to everything while everyone else is responsible to them above all self interest, family loyalty, and normal standards of principle. America may have no formal aristocracy, but it has supposedly well-off people acting badly because they can get away with it and even get benefits for themselves from such.
 
When we were not so polarized into tribes (in this I could be speaking like Bob Butler) as we are now we better recognized that people from different social backgrounds, from different religions, and even from different regions didn't matter so much. Maybe there is nothing like shared menace to bring people together. Some people identify with the menace, but in the end, reason prevails with most.

*Which may explain why America's quasi-aristocracy often puts its kids into pricey boarding schools with a controlled environment.