10-08-2020, 12:33 AM
(10-07-2020, 09:59 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:I listen by reading what you say and directly responding to what you say and so forth. You should be able to figure that out vs accusing me of not listening. You're problem isn't me not listening. Your problem IS me listening and directly responding to you. If you don't take racial xenophobia serious as you say then why are you committed to using it so much these days. I understand that racism still has value on the Democratic side. I'd say it's pretty hard to deny it at this point. But, you can sugar coat it if you want It's not a matter of me not listening.(10-07-2020, 08:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Do you associate MLK with armed thugs, rioting, looting, destruction of property, using intimidation (physical, emotional, symbolism or mere presence) and violence as a means to persuade people and achieve political goals? I don't but do you? If you don't, why do you view Black Lives Matter as being compatible. You don't seem to understand that there's two sides to Black Lives Matter and all you seem to hear about is the good side and you don't seem to see or hear about the bad side of Black Lives Matter. You're not alone there's a group of basketball team owner's who made the same mistake as you. I've seen both. MLK stuck with his core American principles/values and succeeded because he refused to associate and be associated with radical Left Wing groups like Black Lives Matter.
I don’t. I have a bunch of motivations which I have repeated ad nausium but which you are determined not to hear. Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the looters, the Boogaloo Boys all have very different motivations. You seem determined to confuse them. More than a few individuals have mixed motivations. One of the guys arrested recently claimed to be Antifa, a Boogaloo Bois and part of a militia all at once. All that told me is that should not be pigeon holed, or perhaps the boogaloo can be pushed forward by claiming affiliation with the left and the right.
As an ideologue committed to one side it is prudent for you to confuse your understanding of the situation, to straw man the opposition. I have similar problems with other conservatives. They have problems countering real progressive arguments, so they invent fake motivations for imitation progressives and argue against their inventions. Your own asking of a question that you have asked many times before, that I have answered many times before, is par for the course. You repeatedly ignore the response and continue to argue with your imagination. This style of fake argument without listening eats up far too much of the discourse here.
As I remember the time, there were looters and violent racist cops as well as Martin Luther King’s people and Malcom X’s people in the 1960s too. It wasn’t as simplistic as you try to make it. Martin Luther King made the lasting change, but not the whole change. Black Lives Matter will make one more incremental improvement once the people get a chance to speak. Another round of limiting racism may be required generations hence.
I remember one American Studies class when I was back in high school, the day after a race riot. It would have been around 1970. There was a cheerleader table, a jock table, a yearbook staff table, and a misfit table. The misfits, my table. were the only mixed gender table. On the day after the race riot, there were two other misfits, both ladies, close friends with each other, who both attended and were part of the riot. They soon came to dominate the teacher led attempt to talk about the grave division in the country. Unfortunately, both told with great glee about how much fun they had punching and pulling hair of the people with different skin colors. As they described it from their participant’s point of view, it was less a horrible thing, more a good time had by all.
Of course, the two were very white and very black. After the riot, they climbed into the same car and drove home together, exchanging notes gleefully. The next day they confused the cheerleaders, jocks and yearbook people to no end.
The major lesson learned was not to take too seriously some of the people who carry around supposed racial xenophobia. They just like to have a good time brawling. Your love of clucking like a chicken is read the same way.
To you, I cluck like a chicken because that's all you can see and go by in this cozy blue environment. In real life, you'd have all kinds of other stuff pertaining to me, You'd have my personality, my wits, my knowledge, my age, my experience and my style which I'm able to adjust that you'd have to contend with that you don't have to contend with here. To me, you tend to squawk like a Liberal and tend to accuse like a Liberal but you do show that you have more sense and a better understanding of Americans than the others at times.