Election 2020

[Eric the Green]

(10-09-2020, 04:39 AM)Arkarch Wrote:

(10-08-2020, 10:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(10-08-2020, 09:59 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(10-08-2020, 09:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:  And for some reason, Trump has chosen today to attack the Governor of Michigan...

Trump had a falling-out with the Governor of Michigan early in the COVID-19 crisis. At the time Michigan was fourth in deaths among the states. Michigan is now ninth. Michigan got hit early and hard.

So far there is no link between the President and the Wolverine Watchmen, the clique allegedly involved in the conspiracy. The people involved are linked to anti-mask demonstrations, including an armed demonstration in the Michigan state capitol. We must of course recognize the legal principle of the presumption of innocence. 

Obviously there is no mainstream support for the alleged plot. This said, President Trump promoted contempt for this Governor, singling her out for disobedience to the wannabe despot.

What is incredible is that the reactionaries like Trump and our own Classic Xer scream and shout about "law and order" and denounce peaceful protesters as rioters, and then condone and promote at least a climate in which this kind of lawless terrorism and attack on our country can occur.

As I expressed in a "Howe and the 1T" forum post, I believe we have just passed the 4T tipping point.  What worked for Trump in 2016, maybe even early 2020, will no longer work.  I believe we have now toppled every institution we hold dear - to include health, police, post office and the Supreme Court.  "Law and Order" strategy is just kicking at ghosts.

I believe people are now looking for stability so that new ideas may flourish.  If the first debate was any indication, people are turned off by the fighting.  Also true in culture - a spoken word poet won AGT.  Singers are releasing introspective songs.  We'll see where the movies and TV go, but flashy seems out.

National Polls are rapidly moving - and I believe the election is no longer ideological-driven  Many centrist Republicans have joined the Biden side.  People are just tired of kicking sand castles.

Thanks for your opinion. Welcome back to the T4T board.

I think we are just now passing a tipping point. 

The debate revealed mostly the desperate fight by one guy to stay in office by blocking and drowning out his opponent, which he has done in many ways: trying to invalidate the ballots, refusing to say he will leave office, not respecting the law, and refusing to lead the country. It was a turn-off. It was a turning point toward Biden, and I hope toward progress; and not toward centrism. Centrism today is, and can only be, resignation and surrender to indefinite stalemate and failed government. There is virtually no center that matters; no side to compromise or deal with. The opposition is fanatical and extreme.

I don't see much in our current culture but rot. It is hard to pick out one trend in it, it is so diverse and disconnected, and still so commercial. No trend to indicate anything in our political life.

No, the fighting has just begun. The polarization is real because urgent needs have been unmet for 40 years. The election remains ideologically-driven. It's just that the blue side is more pragmatic, and more afraid of the red side's power, so it mostly remains too centrist to really address the problems. The Left agrees with Sanders, but chose Biden in order to win, because more centrists might join in. But as the urgency grows, Democrats have moved leftward, and this shift will continue, as it must, because the left is simply the resolve to do what needs to be done, while the right-wing is simply the fear and delusion that causes people to resist the needed changes. 

You can see this in the campaign rhetoric at all levels. There is a definite movement to address needs and desires on the blue side. It is no longer just a centrist mishmash of indecision, and there is more recognition that we are in a fight for our lives, as the Parkland kids put it. And, we are. The Left is not kicking at sand castles, but at the stone walls which the Republicans have erected since the sixties to forestall the change then begun. And they must be kicked over in this decade.

That's how I see it. I may be wrong, and like to see all sides.