10-09-2020, 08:30 PM
(10-09-2020, 04:39 AM)Arkarch Wrote:We're pretty early (less than a year) to be passing tipping points don't you think. So, why are you joining Gumby's side? Gumby is Biden. Did Trump hurt your feelings or what? I'd like to hear your perspective since we used to be on the same side. Do you like violence? You must not mind it since you're on the side with the people who are supporting it. You're right, we aren't ideological, beholden to beliefs or influences associated big government and neither is Donal Trump. You're also right, you're beloved institutions are pretty much bloated and over weight and greedy and largely ineffective these days. I hate to say this but Fauci was a clown who bounced between entertainment and regular contractions. I wonder who his powerful friend was who got him into his cozy government. I mean, it's only in government that someone can contradict themself so many times and remain employed. It's not that I degree with the Left about the need for a change of government because I do agree with them on that point. Oh, there is a side that's still ideologically driven and your politically aligned with it right now. Dumb move in my opinion. So, you think electing Hoover would be go for you right now with us on the other side. So, which would you prefer to have this time around a depression that results in a partial collapse of the US Government or American Civil War II or a Marxist Revolutionary War of sorts depending on how you see it?(10-08-2020, 10:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:59 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(10-08-2020, 09:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: And for some reason, Trump has chosen today to attack the Governor of Michigan...
Trump had a falling-out with the Governor of Michigan early in the COVID-19 crisis. At the time Michigan was fourth in deaths among the states. Michigan is now ninth. Michigan got hit early and hard.
So far there is no link between the President and the Wolverine Watchmen, the clique allegedly involved in the conspiracy. The people involved are linked to anti-mask demonstrations, including an armed demonstration in the Michigan state capitol. We must of course recognize the legal principle of the presumption of innocence.
Obviously there is no mainstream support for the alleged plot. This said, President Trump promoted contempt for this Governor, singling her out for disobedience to the wannabe despot.
What is incredible is that the reactionaries like Trump and our own Classic Xer scream and shout about "law and order" and denounce peaceful protesters as rioters, and then condone and promote at least a climate in which this kind of lawless terrorism and attack on our country can occur.
As I expressed in a "Howe and the 1T" forum post, I believe we have just passed the 4T tipping point. What worked for Trump in 2016, maybe even early 2020, will no longer work. I believe we have now toppled every institution we hold dear - to include health, police, post office and the Supreme Court. "Law and Order" strategy is just kicking at ghosts.
I believe people are now looking for stability so that new ideas may flourish. If the first debate was any indication, people are turned off by the fighting. Also true in culture - a spoken word poet won AGT. Singers are releasing introspective songs. We'll see where the movies and TV go, but flashy seems out.
National Polls are rapidly moving - and I believe the election is no longer ideological-driven Many centrist Republicans have joined the Biden side. People are just tired of kicking sand castles.