Election 2020

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(10-23-2020, 10:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-22-2020, 11:27 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Here is Howe's description from his website. He gives credit to a four-phase model of social change devised by the famous sociologist Talcott Parsons, who hypothesized that society moves into a new phase every time the availability or demand for social order rises or falls. I don't know his work.
https://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/...nings.html



I just marvel after watching the debate how closely this matches where we are, with Biden as the agent who seeks to restore the social order and respond to the threats to the nation's very survival. Biden says this election is a decision of what kind of country we want to be, and offers solutions that require community purpose. Classic Xer would call it collectivism. And there was Trump, the very embodiment of the social disorder that threatens the nation, defending completely his policies of not dealing with our problems and allowing them to fester and destroy us. All this means we are surely not near the end of this 4th turning. Much strife and struggle remains bringing down the Republican walls that block the 4th turning's agenda, and work to lay the foundations for the new social order we will take for granted once the first turning starts around 2029.

Then Ivanka or Spencer Cox can win the presidency, and it won't matter much more than it did when Ike was elected. But someone besides Kamala Harris must enter the breach for the Democrats in 2024 or it will all come crashing down before it starts. Tom Cotton has a stronger horoscope score in the new system too.

Dude, Kamala has already been picked to replace Bumbling Biden. So, you're stuck her whether you like it or not and whatever the outcome of her taking office.  Honestly, I have no love or feelings/sense of obligation towards you, the Democratic party or the remainder of the GOP at this point and it's nice to see that all of you are on the same side with each other these days. The Washington elite have a much lower approval percentage/rating than Trump today. So, how long is it going to be until you and them are no longer viewed as American by the majority of Americans? Of coarse, the difference will be that we will be full blown 4T and the institutions that you're relying on now will be at war with themselves as well as finding themselves at war with us at that point. We are on same page as far as where we are at Eric. We are just going by different signs/ guides at this point. You can have socialism and all the shit that comes with it all to yourselves. I'm sure that your people are going to give us the justification that we are all waiting for right now.

Dude, Joe Biden most likely selected Kamala Harris out of a desire to find a capable understudy who could take on the responsibility  of the Presidency in the event of you-know-what (Biden is a high risk of dying in office just for being older than the life expectancy in the USA), someone ideologically compatible, and someone on which no conflict of interest is likely to appear. Winning a key state? California is the difference between 31 and 86 electoral votes. If Biden were intent on picking up a key state, then if he wanted to pick the first female Vice President he might have better picked Senator Debbie Stabenow. D-MI, who according to Nate Silver's 'snake' would be the difference between 215 and 231 electoral votes.  

Dude, I am willing to accept as fellow Americans anyone ready to accept some minimal standards of civic responsibility that have nothing to do with fitting some ideological position. I'll start with obeying just laws that assert and defend human rights, recognize the validity of personal property and the sanctity of the person, eschew violence and property destruction, seek to make an economic contribution if such is possible, stand for at the least the enumerated rights in the Constitution, and accept electoral results as right (in the absence of blatant fraudulence. Yes, Trump did win fair and square in America even if I hate his guts).

Do I have my biases? Who doesn't?  I could live in Dearborn, Michigan, where a large Muslim population demands that law enforcement create a community compatible with Muslim family values... in contrast to the vileness of southwestern Detroit with its sexually-related businesses, whores plying their trade, and drunks and addicts stumbling about. Better the kebab house than the strip club, and better the mosque than the whorehouse. Dearborn police are stationed at the city limits, and anyone who offends Dearborn values as a drunk, addict, or whore is guided back. Much of what makes Dearborn a family-friendly place is zoning, and a community can zone out sexually-related businesses. But I need not be a Muslim to fit in in Dearborn. Plenty of Christians and Jews find Dearborn a good place to live. If you question the loyalty of the large Muslim population of Dearborn, then consider that the 9/11 plotters stayed clear of Dearborn. This is one place in which people would have understood the nuances of plotters and reported them to the FBI. 

Can you get a drink in a bar in Dearborn? Sure. But you will be busted if you start a drunken brawl.  

Michigan did have a terrorist plot operating recently, but it had nothing to do with Islam.  I want nothing to do with the Michigan Militia with which such luminaries of American terrorism as Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols hung out for a while. There was a terrorist plot intended to disrupt the state government by 'decapitating' its elected leadership.  That is un-American. Eventually persons involved in the Michigan plot will face trial, and I do not predict the results of criminal trials or civil cases here.  I am not going to predict where in Michigan any trial will be held... but I doubt that Dearborn would be particularly lenient toward anyone involved in a plot to kidnap the Governor. People living in Dearborn because they disliked undemocratic regimes such as Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Syria under Assad pere or fils are unlikely to think sympathetically of those who reject an American democracy that allows one to be a fervent Muslim. 

Dude, there are people who parade about with fascistic shtick who shout "Jews will not replace us". Ironically men of those white men proud of being white and having no legitimate cause for pride might prevent "Jews replacing them" if they were able to attract wives and have normal marital lives. people in the Michigan plot (and most are young men) seem much the same.