12-13-2020, 04:34 AM
(12-12-2020, 05:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:Who cares? The Republican base has already moved on. It won't be long and Democrats will be Democrats and everyone else around them will be more Republican. Back in 2016 during the Republican primaries, did you see any candidates trying to buy their way in with us? As far as I can see, the liberal side has no principles at this point. I'm telling you whatever integrity it had left it lost. The ingredient that holds the Democratic party together is the almighty tax dollar. I wasn't born yesterday. Unfortunately, Biden is the last chance and if I'm right about his condition which I assume was mainly hid from the Democratic electorate. History will record this 3t/4T cluster fuck with the faces of 4 US Presidents who were in office over the coarse of the next four years or possibly five if Harris turns out to be completely incompetent.(12-12-2020, 04:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: CH86
(12-12-2020, 02:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(12-11-2020, 03:01 PM)CH86 Wrote: Classic is only incorrect in that he sees a purely GOP base movement leading the struggle against the DNC. Eric, Pbrower and B Butler Saying that democrats outnumber Trumps post-election diehards is only technically correct, and barely so. It is correct only based on the current alignments of november/december 2020 that exist as we currently speak. But the Great Realignment I speak of is relevant for 2022-2023, said realignment hasn't taken place yet. Moderates, Progressives, and Anti-Trump republicans have no reason to remain allied with Liberals if Trump leaves. The Only reason Kamala is part of the ticket is because the 60s radicals and church blacks threatened not to vote for their own nominee if she wasn't on the ticket.We are leading it now and I expect that will continue throughout the struggle with the DNC.
While Trump's base obviously will stand against the DNC and already does so: Other Factions currently neutral and/or loosely/technically aligned with the dems currently will not be so by the time of the 2023-24 showdown. The Final alignment hasn't taken place yet, and that will feature practically everyone else versus the DNC diehards. Regarding the DNC, the current situation is like when Japan Turned toward Midway in 1942 instead of moving against Australia.
...except that Thug Japan (not to be confused with the politically-civilized Japan since the Second World War) was committing a sequence of aggressive acts. On some history forum I suggested that the Battle of Midway was intended by Japan to be a prelude to an assault on Hawaii. Just look at a map of the Pacific Ocean and tell me what is between Hawaii and California: a huge expanse of water. Oceans are easy places to move ships but offer no points of defense. With Japan inside the Japanese defensive perimeter and impossible to take back, the United States would have had no means of preventing Australia and New Zealand from being devoured by much-larger Japanese military forces.
But back to the point: we usually alternate between Parties in the Presidency. Two terms for a Party is the norm. Trump must have done enough wrong to not get re-elected. People usually get accustomed to what they have, and the incumbent President typically has enough exposure in the media to get his point across.
Quote:Dem leaders alienated most of their more vibrant parts of their coalition by essentially cheating several times in the 2020 primary, however the New blocs are still politically inexperienced enough to have been swayed one final time by the DNC propaganda. However the GOP did make some inroads there, the situation there (with the Young and younger urban and suburban minorities) is like a giant river dam which is beginning a spring a leak, it is a small leak but ANY leak indicates a catastrophic failure. The river will burst through en masse.
Nice physical analogies, but without the virtue of reality behind them. I am surprised that Trump actually won more voters and got his percentage of the vote up 1%. This said, Donald Trump had severe faults as a leader, including a lack of experience in political reality. Maybe the next right-wing @$$hole will appeal with more sophistication to the moral sewer of bigotry, anger, and resentment... but will that right-wing @$$hole succeed? I am not in the prophecy business. That's Eric's department and not mine.
Quote:So, what do you think the Republican/Trump base should do about the old GOP/Anti-Trump wing who just (expletive deleted) them? (profanities deleted)... handing a couple Senate seats to a couple of Democratic senators ... it will be their necks with the rope around them and let the stock reaction do the dirty work for us. It's the only way that I know to send the Wall Street hacks as message that we mean business. So, where do you live, do you live within the fray or outside the fray? I live outside the fray but close enough to the fray to add to the fray and there are enough us to keep our areas safe during the fray that's coming.
The question is what the conservative opponents of Donald Trump do. Maybe they take over an existing Third Party (Reform? Constitution?) or form their own. Maybe they take over weak Democratic Parties in some states (let us say Oklahoma) and offer some different, more coherent, form of conservatism as an alternative.
Democracy needs a contest between viable liberal or social-democratic parties and a viable conservatism, both of which have principles higher than 'sticking it' to their opposition. Much of the problem is that the conservative side of the American political system has installed power above principle and service. That must change. It may be the 2024 election makes that clear.