Election 2020

[Classic-Xer]

(12-15-2020, 07:59 PM)0 Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-15-2020, 05:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Well, how many blue cities in ruins is it going to take these days? The people of Minneapolis watched as their city descend into chaos and violence and destruction but that didn't change the way they voted or the person who represents their district in Washington DC. So, what's it going to take to change what's wrong with Democratic party and the choices/decisions that the Democratic party makes these days? So, how much death, destruction and mayhem willing to inflict, watch and support to remain in power these days. BTW, how did the Japanese soldiers respond to the American soldiers who cheered the first time they passed one their cities laid to ruin buy American bombers? Did they gather them up and execute them on the spot? Did they do it again the second time and did they have to do it again a third time or did the American soldiers left (Japanese prisoners of war) learn to keep their emotions to themselves while passing the next one? War is hell Bob and there is no right and wrong during times of war Bob and no one is off limits either. If you can't handle the fear of a pesky bug killing you then what are you going to do when we are essentially at war and we all have the right to kill you over your unwilling to recognize American sovereignty and the future of America itself. Wake up and come to grips with who and what you're messing with and trying to dismantle  these days.

Interesting question.  How many people have to die, or how many cities destroyed, for a culture to be considered failed, for the population to consider changing its worldview and values?

We have Pbower’s recent posts to draw on.  COVID has killed about 300,000 people.  He has got about half way through the 100 most populous US cities.  It seems reasonable to take 300,000 people as a city on a rough scale.

On a rough scale, Japan lost about 3,000,000 people in World War II.  That would be about 10 cities worth before they changed their culture.

If the red culture is as fixated and determines as the Japanese were, they will not change their values until about 3,000,000 die.  They will kill an awful lot of people before changing their way of thinking.  As we are likely to have effective vaccines in people’s arms before that level is reached, the red folk are likely to not change their behavior to take precautions?

Let’s take a look at systematic racism and racial murders.  How many cities worth?  Has the looting and violence in Minneapolis reached a level that even begins to compare with the nukes and fire bombings in Japan?  One or two people die in a recent incident?  One or two building are destroyed and soon built back?  As far as I know, Minneapolis is still there, and Portland, and Washington DC.  Sure a Portland police union building was torched, and the church in Lafayette Square was boarded up, but does that begin to compare?  The protests were big, sure, but was the violence anywhere near the change the culture threshold of 3,000,000?  Do the number of buildings destroyed even begin to compare to Hiroshima or the Tokyo fire bombing?

What about the red violence?  One or two people die per incident?  Is that going to cause the opposition to change their culture?  Is it far more likely to get the culture Pearl Harbor mad than Hiroshima level ‘I give up.’  It is far easier to get the opposing culture determined and upset rather than make them yield.

Now these numbers are absurdly rough.  The lynchings in the south at the hight of the Jim Crow period were not nearly as high.  If you have a terrorist intimidation as part of a status quo, you might see something different.  But still, people will cling to their culture in spite of a lot of death and destruction.  They will go through a period of sticking to their values before they will see that the death and destruction are not worth it.

As a side note, the US and Japanese cultures were very different in the early 1940s.  The US got very upset at the rape of Nanking, and the Japanese military convincing a civilian village on a Pacific island that it was better to jump of a cliff and into the sea rather than surrender to American soldiers.  Yet the Americans would bomb Japan.  On the other hand, the Japanese were obedient.  For example, they would jump off a cliff before they would surrender to American soldiers.  Before the surrender, they had plans to kill all the POWs on the home islands.  Once the emperor surrendered, the plans were dropped.  They were not hostile to the Americans.  You might not do the same, but the story as I heard it did not include after the surrender hostilities by the Japanese.

How large was Japanese culture compared to Red culture today at the time? Red culture is about 74 million strong today. Realistically, 300,000 deaths is less than a 1% of the total population. Blue culture is about 82 million strong today. 300,000 is less than a percent of the total population for size. It's pretty clear that Covid had a greater impact on Blue Culture than Red Culture and it still does today. In short, we have no reason to change our culture. Whatever bad that is said about us is largely untrue and repeated by people who don't have a clue about us. Like I said, you and I could be neighbors or business acquaintances or passer by's but I doubt that we'd ever be friends or give two shit less about each other.

The Japanese citizens were indoctrinated by years of Japanese government propaganda that portrayed American soldiers as brutal savages which is why so many of the jumped off cliffs vs surrendering and being taken alive by American soldiers.