Report: Three Baton Rouge police officers shot near BRPD HQ

[Dan '82]

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/report-t.../275260120

Quote:Police have closed streets between Baton Rouge Police Headquarters and I-12 where at least three law enforcement officers have been shot.

According to our partners at WBRZ, shots were fired around 9 a.m. Sunday morning kicking off a manhunt for the shooter or shooters...



http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/report-t.../275260120

[radind]

(07-17-2016, 10:05 AM)Dan Wrote: http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/report-t.../275260120

Quote:Police have closed streets between Baton Rouge Police Headquarters and I-12 where at least three law enforcement officers have been shot.

According to our partners at WBRZ, shots were fired around 9 a.m. Sunday morning kicking off a manhunt for the shooter or shooters...



http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/report-t.../275260120

This violence needs to stop or we will have anarchy.

[Anthony '58]

Anarchy? No.

The Second Civil War, with the blacks collaborating with ISIS, etc.?

Increasingly, that appears to be yes.

"But in the end even treason might be worth a try" indeed.

[Odin]

This has been such a shitty year.

[Odin]

(07-17-2016, 04:20 PM)Anthony Wrote: Anarchy?  No.

The Second Civil War, with the blacks collaborating with ISIS, etc.?

Increasingly, that appears to be yes.

"But in the end even treason might be worth a try" indeed.

"The Blacks"

And your post is ironic given the rumors of Russian support for Trump.

[Anthony '58]

Dallas + Baton Rouge = Bleeding Kansas?

[Skabungus]

Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)? Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865. Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.

We live in a police state. It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer. He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law. We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired. Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime. Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait. Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

[Anthony '58]

I don't care how "white" I am.  I adamantly refuse to participate in this fratricidal conflict - even if it means moving to New Zealand or something.

And I blame the Silent Generation for this - see the article, originally posted to the old 4T forum, that I have copied and just re-posted on here.  They are following in the same benighted footsteps as Roger B. Taney and the Nine Old Men of the 1930s.

[Skabungus]

I read the article about the Silent Gen. It wasn't very well written, but, made some good points. I have no love for Silents. I am not willing to let Boomers off the hook for taking the ball and running with it all the way to the one yard line either.

The current situation is the direct result of the way the fabric of American culture has been woven since 1865 (the roots go deeper) and soccer moms and helicopter parents are doing a mighty fine job at keeping it going. Stronger POLICE! Piss tests for welfare!!!!! .............and the list goes on.

[David Horn]

(07-17-2016, 08:04 PM)Odin Wrote: This has been such a shitty year.

Truer words ...

I suspect we're in for a lot more.

[David Horn]

(07-18-2016, 09:40 AM)Skabungus Wrote: Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

[radind]

(07-18-2016, 11:04 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(07-18-2016, 09:40 AM)Skabungus Wrote: Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

None of explains the recent decline in race relations.

[Skabungus]

radind Wrote:

David Horn Wrote:

Skabungus Wrote:Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

None of explains the recent decline in race relations.

................ really.  You're serious?

[radind]

(07-18-2016, 03:45 PM)Skabungus Wrote:

radind Wrote:

David Horn Wrote:

Skabungus Wrote:Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

None of explains the recent decline in race relations.

................ really.  You're serious?

Extremely.

[David Horn]

(07-18-2016, 03:45 PM)Skabungus Wrote:

radind Wrote:

David Horn Wrote:

Skabungus Wrote:Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

None of explains the recent decline in race relations.

................ really.  You're serious?

I doubt that the current tension would have gotten so bad if the economy was better.  Now, everybody is a potential rival, and scapegoating leads to anger which leads to aggression.  The problems have been there right along, though.  Only self interest pushed them to the back burner.  With nothing happening on the job/career front, might as well get pissed at being treated like shit.  There's noting to lose.

[Eric the Green]

Blacks are tired of being shot down on the streets by police for no reason. Profiling and unjust treatment has gone on for decades. Police harass and arrest young blacks far more than others doing the same things.

Our gun nut fanatics contribute mightily to the problem (as yes they do also to suicide) by putting guns in black neighborhoods that don't want them, so that police are always afraid that some young black guy might have a gun. That fear is behind a lot of the shootings.

Why are there "black neighborhoods" at all anymore, that police are afraid to patrol? Largely because of 35 years of Reaganomics. Those who are poor or lower middle class have no route to economic prosperity in America. Economic and social mobility is worse than in any other developed country, despite the myth that America is the land of opportunity. It isn't. Police are the only government presence in black neighborhoods now, because Reaganomics has cut social work, recreation programs and education, etc.. Police are called on to solve all the problems of poor people.

Blacks have been restrained in their attacks on the police until now, just demonstrating and occasionally rioting. Now a few well-armed nutcases are acting out by killing a few cops. Horrible, and I disagree strongly with killing police. Our communities including poor and black communities depend on them to protect us. But, it's less a racial issue than it IS a police and gun issue, and an issue of Americans who vote Republican, or younger Americans don't come out to vote at all during midterm elections. Far more blacks die in police shootings than do police, and police do not get punished for their crimes, which adds a lot to the resentment.

Media calls this problem "race relations at a low in America" just to divert attention from the real issues. Young white people have no problem with young black people. They watch them on TV (including scientists), buy their records and listen to their rap music, and follow their sports exploits. They vote for them for political office. Blacks are accepted for who they are by most white people. No, it's Reaganomics and the Republican voters and politicians, who blow and answer to the dog whistle that their taxes are being used to pay for lazy blacks who don't work. It's the gun nuts who think gun control is prohibition, and it's the police who aren't properly trained and equipped to handle gun-infested conditions in angry and poor black neighborhoods-- and expected to be social workers, community organizers and teachers too in the bargain. And it's possible that police work attracts a few nutcases too.

welcome back "Marx and Lennon"

[radind]

(07-18-2016, 04:01 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(07-18-2016, 03:45 PM)Skabungus Wrote:

radind Wrote:

David Horn Wrote:

Skabungus Wrote:Am I the only one that is totally unsurprised about the state of relations between blacks and the police (state)?  Police brutality, disregard for constitutional rights, etc. have been standard fare since 1865.  Further, if you are a Latino, you experience the same crap, you just don't make the news.  

We live in a police state.  It has worsened since 9-11 but it wasn't much better before.  

Law and order campaign platforms supported by a white majority have consistently made it possible.

Conservative efforts to "privatize" the entire criminal justice system from traffic fines, to policing and security, to jails and prisons further remove justice from the justice system, sticking it behind contractor rights to privacy.

At the heart of it all, no single individual has more influence over whether or not a citizen will enter the criminal justice system than the municipal police officer.  He is the gateway.

Our police agencies (by popular demand) select for a personality type that follows orders without question, views issues in black and white, and sees escalating force as the primary tool for achieving compliance with the law.  We have built the monster that is modern policing with our hue and cry and vote.

Job candidates that can see both sides of the story, choose mediating and negotiating over escalation, are at a significant disadvantage in the police job interview scenarios and thus are rarely hired.  Instead, they often receive kind letters referring them to other allied agencies like DHS, CPS, etc. where negotiating skills and the ability to see gray (as opposed to black/white, right/wrong) are valued.

We have built this system with our fear, and a blind eye to the causes of crime.  Those chickens are gliding on home, as they should be expected to do.

Now we get to wait.  Wait for the white separatists and Bundy-lovers to discover now is the time to take up the banner and strike.

There's a lot of truth here.  I worked in a field that involved a lot of interaction with law enforcement, and many of these observations hit a little too close to home.  Actually, the less dogmatic but civic minded become fire fighters or EMTs, so the sorting begins early.  The police who tend to be less focused on "enforcement" go for detective work or, occasionally, some sort of liaison work with the private sector or the local politicos. 

That last group tends to rise in the ranks, so leadership is often of much better temperament than the rank-and-file officers they lead.

None of explains the recent decline in race relations.

................ really.  You're serious?

I doubt that the current tension would have gotten so bad if the economy was better.  Now, everybody is a potential rival, and scapegoating leads to anger which leads to aggression.  The problems have been there right along, though.  Only self interest pushed them to the back burner.  With nothing happening on the job/career front, might as well get pissed at being treated like shit.  There's noting to lose.

The economy is worse and slow to recover. There is also too much hate speech and too little dialogue.

[Anthony '58]

A three-pronged latter-day Crittenden Compromise could save us:

1. Implement "Jim Crow policing" - only black officers patrol black neighborhoods (and only Latino officers patrol Latino neighborhoods); and if this requires massive hiring of new cops in some jurisdictions, then so be it.  They did this in Boston in 1850 after Irish Catholics complained of being constantly roughed up by WASP cops, and it was also part of the 1998 Good Friday accord in Northern Ireland, so precedents exist.

2. Legalize marijuana: A vastly inordinate number of police stops of African-Americans involve that drug.  Plus you can get conservative support for this by taxing legal pot sales appropriately and using the revenue specifically to fund charity care for those who can't afford private health insurance, whereupon Obamacare can then be repealed.

3. Pass a nationwide concealed carry law - pleasing righty-whitey "gun nuts" while concomitantly abolishing "stop and frisk" en passant, in that what police would be looking for in like 99.9% of all potential stop-and-frisk scenarios would no longer be illegal to possess.

[Eric the Green]

1. How about policies that police must treat the public with respect regardless of race?

2. I don't know about your stats, but it's a fine way to reduce prison populations.

3. How about we pass a nationwide repeal of open and concealed carry laws so we don't have guns all over the streets in which some angry person could just start shooting at cops or at you and me.

[Eric the Green]

(07-18-2016, 05:39 PM)radind Wrote: The economy is worse and slow to recover. There is also too much hate speech and too little dialogue.

And too much attachment to ideologies and worldviews, radind, so that dialogue is next to impossible anyway.