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What will happen if someone lives by 3T values in the 1T?
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(10-30-2016, 10:50 PM)disasterzone Wrote:
(10-30-2016, 12:05 PM)FLBones Wrote:
(10-29-2016, 04:30 PM)disasterzone Wrote:
(10-27-2016, 12:31 PM)FLBones Wrote: Well, it's like it says in the 4T book, those outside of the mainstream culture feel stifled by the conformity. They may also be prone to prosecution as was the case with McCartyhism. During the last 1T, the red scare set about a socially conservative climate which the 50s are known for. The 1920s however was a decade where the social climate became more and more liberal.

Would they drink or severely isolate from other people themselves to survive the 1T and numb themselves until it's over? Turn to financial risk taking because the normal system has nothing to offer them and they really have nothing to lose?
In past first turnings, they were usually put to socially useful tasks and blended in. If they followed the conventional way of the High, they'd probably find it dull and mind numbing. May use tranquilizers to numb this out, like some housewives did in the 1950s or the Beatniks. For those who openly go againist the norms of the High era, they will find themselves at odds from society, finding it difficult to get along with others and face expulsion dealing with an us vs them mentality.

I think during a High era, for the late wave artists, and the early wave prophet generations, they just go along with the flow because there's nothing else to do but their inner lives are under turmoil at the same time. As time goes on, the inner struggles become overpowering and they sense this void in society and thus, the 2T begins. I'm sure Awakenings are bring some relief to these people.

What happens to Civics or very old artists who find themselves at odds with society during the 1T when the 2T comes around? Would they feel relieved or would they feel their life was wasted because they were forced to live so much of it in eras they were at odds with? Would they lament being born in the wrong time?

Also what would happen to one of them if despite conflicting with so many people, continued to get their way during the 1T? Would it cause major hate and resentment?

-- l've only lived thru 1 2T but it seems to me like the Artists were feuling it. Dylan, Grace Slick, Ginsburg, Jane Fonda, Jerry Garcia, Abbie Hoffman.... & Timothy Leary was a Civic so... l would say if they are @odds w/society during a 1T, they start the 2nd T
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(11-07-2016, 11:32 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(11-07-2016, 05:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(10-30-2016, 11:16 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: So, the upcoming 1T is just a past is prologue for Rags. I just want weed legalization to continue apace so it gets normed just like booze and ciggies in the 1950's.  In closing, 1T's are when "Better Living Through Chemistry" comes into its own , and for that, Rags is looking most forward to the end of the icky 4T and towards another 1T and most likely another 2T of chemical bliss.

Watch CA. The marijuana legalizing initiative is leading in the polls so far.

Quote:Millies, please invent some nifty new mind altering chemicals for Rags to enjoy. Cool

May it expand your mind enough so you can enjoy the mystic musings of Eric and see beyond the rantings of the vandal. Smile

(and of course graduate from noise to mystical mind-expanding music. Witchi Tai To gimmera...... and of course http://philosopherswheel.com/toccata.htm )

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can soon self medicate with Cannabis without getting a Medical Cannabis Card. Many don't realize it, but getting such a card is a permanent item on one's government record. It precludes one from certain approvals and can be deemed a negative finding for various background investigations. Hopefully all of that will be history in the near future, at least in California. National will hopefully be next.

-- then why are you pimping the hildabitch, who wants to make things worse? Jill (a MD, btw) wants to legalize weed.  the Donald views it as a states rights matter & would leave it up to them. Not sure how thst would affect one's Govt record, whatever that is. lf weed legalization is that important to you vote Jill
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(11-08-2016, 06:40 AM)Marypoza Wrote: -- then why are you pimping the hildabitch, who wants to make things worse? Jill (a MD, btw) wants to legalize weed.  the Donald views it as a states rights matter & would leave it up to them. Not sure how thst would affect one's Govt record, whatever that is. lf weed legalization is that important to you vote Jill

A vote for that anti-vax nutcase is a vote for Trump. Angry
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#64
You're fine with pure bolsheviks, then.
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(11-08-2016, 03:42 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: You're fine with pure bolsheviks, then.
I would think so.  But we should ask X_4AD_84 if he/she favored Bernie in the primary.  Recall that X_4AD_84 is a former rightie, so he would think anyone economically to the left of Obama (e.g. FDR, Truman, Johnson, G. Wallace, Mondale, Sanders) as a Bolshevist.
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(11-08-2016, 05:28 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(11-08-2016, 03:42 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: You're fine with pure bolsheviks, then.

I'm not, however, such are few and far between. I think Kinser79 or whatever he goes by these days is one. A pretty rare bird.

Kinser supported trump -- probably because he though that Trump would so mess things up that Americans would quickly be prepared for a Marxist insurrection.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#67
Basically, two sorts of behaviors die in a Crisis. One sort is behavior that had long existed and had developed a reputation for seediness or sleaziness that people had tolerated because there was no way in which to contest them until one Crisis had the rest of the relevant world turning against it (think of slavery in the American Civil War) or that proved impossible to keep going (empire-building such as that of Alexander, Caesar, Genghiz Khan, or Adolf Hitler) because it had become too dangerous. Imagine a Hitler with nukes -- and human extinction. The Divine Right of Kings may appear to this day on Canadian coins, but nobody takes DGR (Dei Gratia Regina/Rex) seriously anymore. That largely died in the American, French, and Latin-American revolutions. But those are old and increasingly-questionable institutions, ideas, or practices.

The other sort is relatively-novel practice from the preceding 3T -- bad business practice, mindless mass culture, corrupt (and often tribal) politics, exploitative sexuality, fads and crazes, flawed theories, and perverse religiosity. Need I remind you that although there is still a nostalgia market for times as long ago as the 1930's (people watching film of the time and listening to Big Band music are not the original audiences), there is none for the 1920's and never was? The 1920's were a slum of a decade for numbingly-awful mass culture, such pseudo-intellectual garbage as eugenics (a/k/a "scientific racism"), a last hurrah for the Gilded Age (Gilded Greed without Gilded innovation), and a bubble economy? The Lost Generation, which most bought into that nonsense, ended up choosing bland tradition instead of such garbage.

Hybrids in institutions -- often businesses and business models with high costs, especially in the marketing of their wares, often go under. Think of the dead malls... and retailers such as Sears, Bon-Ton, and JC Penney that largely chose them. Who cares about costs when there is a large middle class capable of paying MSLP (Manufacturer's Suggested List Price) that will compensate for the high costs of operating in a mall with impulse shopping. Whoops! The middle-income market shrinks significantly, many customers end up at Wal*Mart, and an entity like Amazon that can offer something very specific instead of relying upon impulse-shopping gains relevance while Bon-Ton dies, Sears practically dies, and JC Penney goes on life support.

Sticking with 3T practices that lose their mass appeal in a 4T and never recover will at the least consign one to extreme loneliness.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#68
I think it depends on what you mean by 'lives like the 3T.'

In general, during a 1T, our society's ability to empathize with those outside of one of our personal 'tribes' gradually increases and, as that occurs, so does our willingness to include them in the existing social compact whereas in a 3T, the inverse of that happens. If you think of 'living in a 3T' as being someone who can empathize with those who aren't like you and thinks they should have the same rights and opportunities as you do, then in a 1T you might be on the forefront of the counter culture.
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