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The "Bad Apples" of each generation
#41
(11-22-2018, 09:08 PM)gabrielle Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 01:50 PM)Ghost Wrote: Lindsey Smith (age unknown, but she is probably a Millennial): Notorious #Resister and both an anti-white and anti-male bigot

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What has this person done, specifically?  I couldn't find anything about her on a quick google search, for all that she's "notorious."
Fine; I'll get rid of her from the list.
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#42
Another bad apple has fallen from the tree:

Chérif Chekatt (b. 1989) - the perpetrator of the recent mass shooting in Strasbourg
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#43
We have another fellow, age 49, implicated in a wide-ranging terrorist plot.

Editor's note: This story contains language that may be offensive to some readers.

Updated at 6:30 a.m. ET

A 49-year-old Coast Guard lieutenant charged with stockpiling weapons and drugs is being described as a "domestic terrorist" who was planning "to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country," according to court documents filed in U.S. District Court in Maryland on Tuesday.

Federal prosecutors say Christopher Paul Hasson, a self-described white nationalist living in Silver Spring, Md., was amassing firearms since at least 2017, while cultivating plans to launch a widespread attack on prominent Democratic lawmakers, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and several high-profile television anchors from MSNBC and CNN.

More from NPR.

Targeted:

According to court documents, he had a spreadsheet for targets. These were (all [sic]):
-"JOEY" (Presumably Joe Scarborough)
-"Chris hayes"
-"Sen blumen jew" (Richard Blumenthal)
-"pelosi"
-"sen kaine"
-"ari melber"
-"shumer" (Chuck Schumer)
-"don lemon"
-"gillibran"
-"poca warren"
-"cortez"
-"booker"
-"harris"
-"beto orourke"
-"maxine waters"
-"sheila jackson"
-"ilhan omar"
-"chris cuomo"
-"DSA"
-"van jones"
-"podesta"
[url=https://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/696470366/arrested-coast-guard-officer-planned-mass-terrorist-attack-on-a-scale-rarely-see][/url]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#44
For bad guys, most of the school shooters seem to be Millennials. The angriest of Millennials make the cynicism of Gen X look idealistic. Does anyone speculate why this is? For Millennials the killers are the outcast loners whereas with Boomers the bad guys are the charismatic people that everyone thinks is a good person. Why the difference?
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#45
There have been some very bad GI's -- John Dillinger, Howard Unruh, Ed Gein, Clyde Barrow, Bonnie Parker... and most seem to be loners in a generation that saw them as outliers. Outside the United States are such contemporaries as...OK, I need not list a bunch of Nazis and Stalinists.

Maybe you forget the worst of all mass killers, Timothy McVeigh, who was X. I remember seeing an interview of him in which he responded to the reality that small innocent children had died when he blew up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. He called such death "collateral damage"! McVeigh had pent-up anger, and he was even arrested wearing a shirt that had an image of Abraham Lincoln, a gun pointed at him, and the words "Sic semper tyrannis". The allusion was to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

It is hard to figure out the murky mind of someone so horrible as McVeigh for what he did.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#46
Not that it excuses Cesar Sayoc...

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Quote:[url=https://www.huffpost.com/topic/cesar-sayoc]Cesar Sayoc, the fanatical Donald Trump fan who mailed package bombs to the president’s political opponents, is a cognitively limited sexual abuse survivor who thought of the now-president as a “surrogate father” and came to believe in an “alternative reality” fueled in part by Trump’s attacks on his political opponents, his attorneys told a federal court on Monday.

Sayoc has admitted to mailing pipe bombs to Democratic politicians, media figures and celebrities he perceived as Trump’s enemies last fall, and pleaded guilty to several federal crimes in March. He could face life in prison when he’s sentenced on August 5, but his federal public defenders said Monday he should serve 10 years in prison followed by community supervision (as well as mental health counseling and drug treatment).

Sayoc, his attorneys wrote in a sentencing memo filed in federal court in New York on Monday, was a Trump “super fan” and “began to consider Democrats as not just dangerous in theory, but imminently and seriously dangerous to his personal safety.”
“President Trump did nothing to dissuade this message,” they write. Their filing cites Trump’s Twitter attacks on the figures Sayoc targeted.

Sayoc was a Trump fan before the reality television host ran for president, and viewed him as “everything he wanted to be: self-made, successful, and a ‘playboy,’” his attorneys wrote.

But Sayoc “began watching Fox News religiously,” started following political news on Facebook and and “threw himself into” Trump’s campaign once he announced his candidacy because he “came to view Trump as a personal champion—someone who had helped him through the most difficult periods of his life and who could do the same for other people across the country.”

Sayoc, his lawyers wrote, “began watching Fox News religiously at the gym, planning his morning workout to coincide with Fox and Friends and his evenings to dovetail with Hannity.” With his use of steroids, they said, he became paranoid and delusional about the false news stories that clogged his social media feeds.

“Because of his cognitive limitations and mental illness, he believed outlandish reports in the news and on social media, which increasingly made him unhinged. He became obsessed with ‘attacks’ from those he perceived as Trump’s enemies. He believed stories shared on Facebook that Trump supporters were being beaten in the streets. He came to believe that he was being personally targeted for supporting Trump: Mr. Sayoc thought that anti-Trump forces were trying to hurt him and they were to blame when his van was vandalized,” they wrote.

“A rational observer may have brushed off Trump’s tweets as hyperbole, but Mr. Sayoc took them to heart,” according to Sayoc’s attorneys.

Federal prosecutors, in their own sentencing memo, said Sayoc should spend the rest of his life behind bars.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cesar-say...b6adb48758

Maybe I can understand him a little more, but I cannot excuse or trivialize what he did. Millions watch FoX News without getting so angry that they do violence.

From his defense statement, his father practically abandoned him. He got messed up on steroids and got into the strip-club business to the consternation of his last reliable relatives, his grandparents. When busted he was working in a strip club and he was heavily into steroids.

....He is guilty of plotting major crimes. He could have done great damage to our political process.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#47
More bad apples:

Silent Generation:
Charles Whitman (1941-1966) - Texas Tower shooter

Baby Boomers:
Jeffrey Epstein (born 1953) - rapist, sex trafficker
Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman (born 1957) - notorious drug trafficker

Gen X:
Clarisa Figueroa (born c. 1973) - One of the three people involved in the "womb raiding" killing of Marlen Ochoa-Lopez
Piotr Bobak (born c. 1979) - One of the three people involved in the "womb raiding" killing of Marlen Ochoa-Lopez

Millennials:
Cheyanne Jessie (born 1989) - Woman who murdered her father and daughter in July 2015 and is now facing the death penalty
Brenton Tarrant (born c. 1991) - Christchurch shooter
Desiree Figueroa (born c. 1995) - One of the three people involved in the "womb raiding" killing of Marlen Ochoa-Lopez
YNW Melly (born 1999) - Cop killer
John Timothy Earnest (born 1999) - Poway shooter

Homelanders:
Tay-K (born 2000) - Murderer
Sol Pais (2001-2019) - Columbine-obsessed teen who sent threats to many Colorado schools (including Columbine High School)
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#48
There are other cases of fetal abduction and murder too. Horrible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...-plot.html
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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#49
Is "cognitively-limited" a euphemism for "stupid"?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#50
Some more:

Silent Generation:
Larry Troutman (1944-1999) - Murdered his brother, Roger Troutman, and then killed himself
Joseph DeAngelo (born 1945) - Golden State killer

Baby Boomer:
Terry Nichols (born 1955) - Man who helped Timothy McVeigh orchestrate the Oklahoma City Bombing
George Hennard (1956-1991) - The Luby's shooter
Ramon Salcido (born 1961) - Mass murderer
Armin Meiwes (born 1961) - German cannibal

Gen X:
Yevhen Hapon (born 1974) - Controversial black metal vocalist/musician
Jeffrey Atkins (born 1976) - One of the two Fyre Festival fraudsters
Michael Peinovich Jr. (born 1977) - Charlottesville speaker and attendee
Kenneth Petty (born 1978) - Nicki Minaj's boyfriend that is both a sex offender and a murderer
James Rouse (born 1978) - Richland School shooter
Barry Loukaitis (born 1981) - Frontier Middle School shooter

Millennials:
Kipland Kinkel (born 1982) - Thurston High School shooter, committed familicide before school shooting
Luka Magnotta (born 1982) - Serial cat killer and murderer of Lin Jun
Michael Martin (born 1982) - One of the two people involved in the notorious "FamilyOFive" persona on YouTube
Heather Martin (born 1983) - One of the two people involved in the notorious "FamilyOFive" persona on YouTube
Austin Gillespie (born 1983) - Probably an irrelevant figure now, but like Peinovich, he was a Charlottesville speaker and attendee
"Lynn Ann" (born 1984) - Woman notoriously obsessed with Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters
Alvaro Castillo (born 1987) - Columbine-obsessed man who killed his father
Billy McFarland (born 1991) - One of the two Fyre Festival fraudsters
Austin Jones (born 1992) - YouTuber involved in child pornography
Connor Betts (born c. 1995) - Dayton shooter
Brandon Theesfeld (born 1997) - Man who murdered his 21-year-old classmate, Alexandria Kostial
Alexander Whipple (born 1997) - Man who raped and murdered his five-year-old niece
Patrick Crusius (born 1998) - El Paso Walmart shooter
Brook Higgins (born 1999) - One of the two girls who plotted to shoot up Mountain Vista High School
"Dan from Long Island" (born 1999) - Unite the Right 2 attendee
Sienna Johnson (born 1999) - One of the two girls who plotted to shoot up Mountain Vista High School

Gen Z:
Kam McLeod (c. 2000-2019) - One of the two murderers of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese
Lee Elder Finnegan (born 2000) - One of two murderers of an Italian paramilitary police officer.
Gabriel Christian Natale Hjorth (born 2000) - One of the two murderers of an Italian paramilitary police officer.
Bryer Schmegelsky (c. 2001-2019) - One of the two murderers of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese.
Matias Oyarzo Vera (born 2003) - Known as "Peluchin Entertainment" on YouTube. He killed and abused his cat Jason, abused other cats, cyberbullied an autistic man, abused his younger stepbrother, and sexually harassed girls. He is easily the Homeland Generation's Luka Magnotta.
Preston McDuffie (born 2005) - Cat abuser
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#51
(03-29-2019, 12:53 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: There have been some very bad GI's -- John Dillinger, Howard Unruh, Ed Gein, Clyde Barrow, Bonnie Parker... and most seem to be loners in a generation that saw them as outliers. Outside the United States are such contemporaries as...OK, I need not list a bunch of Nazis and Stalinists.

Maybe you forget the worst of all mass killers, Timothy McVeigh, who was X. I remember seeing an interview of him in which he responded to the reality that small innocent children had died when he blew up the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. He called such death "collateral damage"! McVeigh had pent-up anger, and he was even arrested wearing a shirt that had an image of Abraham Lincoln, a gun pointed at him, and the words "Sic semper tyrannis". The allusion was to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

It is hard to figure out the murky mind of someone so horrible as McVeigh for what he did.

I'm pretty sure that Timothy McVeigh is on the list.
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