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(12-27-2021, 11:24 PM)galaxy Wrote: You are neglecting the fact that the world is not on a unified cycle.
For example, Putin and Kim are both Nomad, and Ceaușescu was on the edge between Artist and Prophet.
You can't apply American generations to other countries. Even those on the same general cycle as us don't match exactly. Canada's 4T could have begun as late as 2015, seven years after the US's.
I agree with you. American generations don’t apply to other countries, hence why I put “and Foreign Peers” at the heading of each generation.
I myself am not American, and I don’t apply these labels to myself, but since S&H have “Prominent Foreign Peers” section in their works, that is what I am doing.
Putin is NOT a “Baby Boomer” and Kim Jong Un is NOT a “Millennial” (North Korea has absolutely nothing in common with other countries, it is just stupid to apply these labels to North Koreans, who grow up and live in an entirely different world to Americans) they just happen to be “prominent foreign peers” of these generations
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(12-28-2021, 07:20 AM)Phantom Wrote: (12-27-2021, 11:24 PM)galaxy Wrote: You are neglecting the fact that the world is not on a unified cycle.
For example, Putin and Kim are both Nomad, and Ceaușescu was on the edge between Artist and Prophet.
You can't apply American generations to other countries. Even those on the same general cycle as us don't match exactly. Canada's 4T could have begun as late as 2015, seven years after the US's.
I agree with you. American generations don’t apply to other countries, hence why I put “and Foreign Peers” at the heading of each generation.
I myself am not American, and I don’t apply these labels to myself, but since S&H have “Prominent Foreign Peers” section in their works, that is what I am doing.
Putin is NOT a “Baby Boomer” and Kim Jong Un is NOT a “Millennial” (North Korea has absolutely nothing in common with other countries, it is just stupid to apply these labels to North Koreans, who grow up and live in an entirely different world to Americans) they just happen to be “prominent foreign peers” of these generations
There is a reasonable arguemnt that countries like North Korea have no cycle at all. The dull repeteive sameness of life seems to be so imprinted that few of the citizens have the mental wherewithal to strike-off in a newish direction.
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Still, I'd take off the elected officials and cultural figures who are simply controversial. Murder, embezzlement, and the destruction or denial of civil liberties is not controversial; such are evil.
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12-29-2021, 07:23 PM
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Allen Ginsberg (1926-1997) great guy! Not a bad apple.
Bill and Hillary? Far from perfect, but not bad.
Mumia Abu Jamal (b 1954) questionable
Cory Booker (b 1969) ha ha, NO! take him off the list
Except for Kyle, and some of the Xer-agers like the Columbine shooters and a few of the 9-11 hijackers, I don't know hardly any of those on your list younger than Boomers age. I guess Phantom you keep up with evil better than I do 
I would add Alex Jones and Roger Stone.
I agree with brower, controversial figures are not necessarily evil bad seed.
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12-29-2021, 07:57 PM
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You can take Margaret Thatcher off that list, too. So you dislike her ideology? At least she didn't murder people, consign dissidents and rivals to prison, or rob her country.. "Prime Minister of the UK" is one of the most powerful positions in the world,
Contrast Ne Win (c. 1910-2002), dictator of the thug military regime of Burma.
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Sports disgrace: Arnold "Chick" Gandil (1888-1970), mastermind of the 1919 Black Sox scandal
Ty Cobb (1886-1963) -- for sheer viciousness as a baseball player.
Diego Maradona (1960-2020) -- the "Bad Boy of Soccer"
Billy Martin (1928-1989) -- baseball player and manager known for fights
Mike Tyson (1966-) -- boxer. Lost a match by biting the ear of Evander Holyfield.
Arnold Rothstein (1882-1928), corrupt gambler who promoted the Black Sox scandal
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(12-29-2021, 07:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Allen Ginsberg (1926-1997) great guy! Not a bad apple.
Bill and Hillary? Far from perfect, but not bad.
Mumia Abu Jamal (b 1954) questionable
Cory Booker (b 1969) ha ha, NO! take him off the list
Except for Kyle, and some of the Xer-agers like the Columbine shooters and a few of the 9-11 hijackers, I don't know hardly any of those on your list younger than Boomers age. I guess Phantom you keep up with evil better than I do
I would add Alex Jones and Roger Stone.
I agree with brower, controversial figures are not necessarily evil bad seed.
I need to revise this list for sure. I created this three years ago and a lot of things (as well as my views) have changed since then.
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12-30-2021, 05:34 AM
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It looks as if we can add Ghislaine Maxwell to the list of very bad apples after she has been convicted of five of six major charges involving sex trafficking with minors.
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(12-29-2021, 08:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Sports disgrace: Arnold "Chick" Gandil (1888-1970), mastermind of the 1919 Black Sox scandal
Ty Cobb (1886-1963) -- for sheer viciousness as a baseball player.
Diego Maradona (1960-2020) -- the "Bad Boy of Soccer"
Billy Martin (1928-1989) -- baseball player and manager known for fights
Mike Tyson (1966-) -- boxer. Lost a match by biting the ear of Evander Holyfield.
Arnold Rothstein (1882-1928), corrupt gambler who promoted the Black Sox scandal
Jack Tatum (1948-2010) is another "bad apple" in sports. He was infamous for being a hard hitter, most notably with the incident that left Darryl Stingley paralyzed (this maybe why he is not in the NFL Hall of Fame).
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12-30-2021, 04:30 PM
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Sergei Nilus (1862-1929), Russian mystic who wrote the infamous screed Protocols of the Elders of Zion, also known as the Protocols of the Learned Elders , which purported to expose a Jewish world conspiracy of world domination. It's laughable now among intellectually-sophisticated people*, but such people as the Nazis took it seriously and used it as 'educational' material about Jews.
Henry Ford (1863-1947): great industrialist, but really a nasty person for thuggish management and publishing The International Jew, one of the most vicious tracts of antisemitism.
Madison Grant (1865-1937) "scientific" racist, promoted a genteel Negrophobia that may have done as much damage as the cruder, cross-burning type.
Lothrop Stoddard (1883-1950): "academic" racist and eugenicist, had influence upon Nazi racial theories. He was a consultant to the dangerous Second KKK.
Ferenc Szálasi (1897-1945): Nazi puppet ruler of Hungary's fascistic Arrow Cross Party that wasted Hungarian troops in a futile effort to protect Nazi Germany and savaged the Hungarian Jewish population with massacres and deportations, putting an end to their comparative safety.
Not related to these:
Grigori Rasputin (1869-1916): Russian mystic, completely immoral "monk" who corrupted the Romanov court and weakened the ability of the Tsarist government to meet social and military pressures.
*Conspiracies are ineffective ways to achieve what one wants done. Effective people find other ways in which to get done what they want done. They are usually for schmucks who fail to reflect the precarious complexity of their schemes that makes them vulnerable to participants who will sell out others to save their necks when law enforcement starts making inquiries, as in the wake of a suspicious death and an insurance payout.
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(12-30-2021, 04:30 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Henry Ford (1863-1947): great industrialist, but really a nasty person for thuggish management and publishing The International Jew, one of the most vicious tracts of antisemitism.
Madison Grant (1865-1937) "scientific" racist, promoted a genteel Negrophobia that may have done as much damage as the cruder, cross-burning type.
Lothrop Stoddard (1883-1950): "academic" racist and eugenicist, had influence upon Nazi racial theories. He was a consultant to the dangerous Second KKK.
Ferenc Szálasi (1897-1945): Nazi puppet ruler of Hungary's fascistic Arrow Cross Party that wasted Hungarian troops in a futile effort to protect Nazi Germany and savaged the Hungarian Jewish population with massacres and deportations, putting an end to their comparative safety.
All of them have been added.
I have a new version of this thread:
http://generational-theory.com/forum/thread-19863.html
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Quote:James Alex Fields (b. 1997)
XXXTentacion (b. 1998)
Nikolas Cruz (b. 1998)
Thomas Rousseau (b. 1998)
Trippie Redd (b. 1999)
Anissa Weier (b. 2001)
Morgan Geyser (b. 2002)
Danielle Bregoli (b. 2003)
these are all third wave millennials.
Quote:Kaia James (b. 2006)
actually a zoomer
ammosexual
reluctant millennial
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I could have added a raft of gangsters (Gambino, Lucchese, Bonanno, Luciano [and I don't mean Pavarotti), Lansky... Lepke Buchalter was convicted of murder in gangland and was sentenced to death and electrocuted in Sing Sing, but he seems to have been no worse than the others. Murder, Incorporated could offer some really bad folks.
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The Millennial Generation is 1981-1996. I don’t care what Strauss and Howe says (or said). They were wrong. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...-z-begins/
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(08-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Ghost Wrote: Some more:
Silent Generation:
Larry Troutman (1944-1999) - Murdered his brother, Roger Troutman, and then killed himself
Joseph DeAngelo (born 1945) - Golden State killer
Baby Boomer:
Terry Nichols (born 1955) - Man who helped Timothy McVeigh orchestrate the Oklahoma City Bombing
George Hennard (1956-1991) - The Luby's shooter
Ramon Salcido (born 1961) - Mass murderer
Armin Meiwes (born 1961) - German cannibal
Gen X:
Yevhen Hapon (born 1974) - Controversial black metal vocalist/musician
Jeffrey Atkins (born 1976) - One of the two Fyre Festival fraudsters
Michael Peinovich Jr. (born 1977) - Charlottesville speaker and attendee
Kenneth Petty (born 1978) - Nicki Minaj's boyfriend that is both a sex offender and a murderer
James Rouse (born 1978) - Richland School shooter
Barry Loukaitis (born 1981) - Frontier Middle School shooter
Millennials:
Kipland Kinkel (born 1982) - Thurston High School shooter, committed familicide before school shooting
Luka Magnotta (born 1982) - Serial cat killer and murderer of Lin Jun
Michael Martin (born 1982) - One of the two people involved in the notorious "FamilyOFive" persona on YouTube
Heather Martin (born 1983) - One of the two people involved in the notorious "FamilyOFive" persona on YouTube
Austin Gillespie (born 1983) - Probably an irrelevant figure now, but like Peinovich, he was a Charlottesville speaker and attendee
"Lynn Ann" (born 1984) - Woman notoriously obsessed with Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters
Alvaro Castillo (born 1987) - Columbine-obsessed man who killed his father
Billy McFarland (born 1991) - One of the two Fyre Festival fraudsters
Austin Jones (born 1992) - YouTuber involved in child pornography
Connor Betts (born c. 1995) - Dayton shooter
Brandon Theesfeld (born 1997) - Man who murdered his 21-year-old classmate, Alexandria Kostial
Alexander Whipple (born 1997) - Man who raped and murdered his five-year-old niece
Patrick Crusius (born 1998) - El Paso Walmart shooter
Brook Higgins (born 1999) - One of the two girls who plotted to shoot up Mountain Vista High School
"Dan from Long Island" (born 1999) - Unite the Right 2 attendee
Sienna Johnson (born 1999) - One of the two girls who plotted to shoot up Mountain Vista High School
Gen Z:
Kam McLeod (c. 2000-2019) - One of the two murderers of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese
Lee Elder Finnegan (born 2000) - One of two murderers of an Italian paramilitary police officer.
Gabriel Christian Natale Hjorth (born 2000) - One of the two murderers of an Italian paramilitary police officer.
Bryer Schmegelsky (c. 2001-2019) - One of the two murderers of Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese.
Matias Oyarzo Vera (born 2003) - Known as "Peluchin Entertainment" on YouTube. He killed and abused his cat Jason, abused other cats, cyberbullied an autistic man, abused his younger stepbrother, and sexually harassed girls. He is easily the Homeland Generation's Luka Magnotta.
Preston McDuffie (born 2005) - Cat abuser
Barry Loukaitis was a millennial https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...-z-begins/
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(11-12-2018, 02:15 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: (11-11-2018, 11:59 AM)Ghost Wrote: More bad apples:
Good list, but I have questions....
Quote:Gen Xers that are bad apples
Oystein "Euronymous" Aarseth (b. 1968) - Arsonist, psychopath, communist
Robert "Darken" Fudali (b. 1969) - frontman of controversial Polish black metal group Graveland
What evil did he commit?
Quote:Karla Homolka (b. 1970) - Notorious female serial killer
Orlando Anderson (b. 1974) - Crip
Georgios Germenis (b. 1978) - vocalist and bassist of controversial Greek black metal group Naer Mataron, member of the Golden Dawn party
El Chino Antrax (b. 1980) - Notorious Mexican drug lord
Lindsay Shookus (b. 1980) - SNL producer that cheated on her husband and abandoned her daughter.
Millennials that are bad apples
Ludovic "Famine" Van Alst (b. 1982) - frontman of NSBM group Peste Noire
Alexei Levkin (b. 1984) - frontman of NSBM group M8l8th, convicted of three murders
Nikko Jenkins (b. 1986) - Murderer from Nebraska
Tamerlan Tsarnaev (b. 1986) - Boston Marathon bomber
Martin Sellner (b. 1989) - Austrian white nationalist, founder of the Identitarian Movement of Austria
Faith Goldy (b. 1989) - Notorious Canadian white nationalist
Blair Cottrell (b. 1989) - Australian neo-Nazi leader
Ian David Long (b. 1990) - the Thousand Oaks shooter (the mass shooting that took place last night) that killed 12 people and himself.
Eli Mosley/Elliott Kline (b. 1991) - Former Identity Evropa leader, lied about military service, called Philadelphia "the city of faggotry love"
Josh Mascharka (b. 1993) - Antifa leader
What has he done that is bad?
Quote:Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (b. 1993) - Boston Marathon bomber
Tom Dupre (b. 1994 or 1995) - Generation Identity leader
Date of birth unknown (but probably Millennials):
Tara McCarthy - British neo-Nazi
Marcus "The Golden One" Follin - Swedish neo-Nazi
Zeds that are bad apples
These are also Millennials. The Pew dating is wrong.
Quote:Veronica Bouchard/Evalion (b. 1997) - Nazi YouTuber
Shelby Shoup (b. 1998?) - SJW that threw milk at a conservative student on campus.
Seems more like a prank than an evil deed
Quote:Kyle Anger (b. 1999) - one of the assailants behind Kenneth White's murder in 2017
Jo Ann Butler (b. 2001) - SJW that attacked her peer that happened to be a Trump supporter
The Pew dating is not wrong. It’s based on current and scientific research. Strauss and Howe were wrong.
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(10-19-2018, 06:27 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (10-19-2018, 11:29 AM)Ghost Wrote: I don't know if threads like this are allowed, but this was something I have been thinking about for a while.
Here are the ones I can think of for each generation starting with the Silents:
Silent Generation:
Pol Pot (b. 1925)
James Earl Ray (b. 1928)
James "Whitey" Bulger (b. 1929) crime boss and murderer
Jim Jones (b. 1931)
Louis Farrakhan (b. 1933) not allowed; not so bad
Dianne Feinstein (b. 1933) not allowed; very positive
William Luther Pierce (b. 1933)
Charles Manson (b. 1934)
Saddam Hussein (b. 1937)
Maxine Waters (b. 1938) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion
David Lane (b. 1938) White supremacist. A member of the terror group The Order, he was convicted and sentenced to 190 years in prison for racketeering; conspiracy; and for violating the civil rights of Alan Berg, a Jewish radio talk show host
John Wayne Gacy (b. 1942)
Baby Boomer:
Ted Bundy (b. 1946)
Hillary Clinton (b. 1947) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion. All charges against her are false except favoring the Honduras regime.
Edmund Kemper (b. 1948)
David Duke (b. 1950)
James Hodgkinson (b. 1950) shot Republican congress members at ball game
Harvey Weinstein (b. 1952)
Stephen Paddock (b. 1953)
Mark David Chapman (b. 1955)
John Bachtell (b. 1956)
Osama Bin Laden (b. 1957)
Jeffrey Dahmer (b. 1960)
Yolanda Saldivar (b. 1960) convicted of the murder of Tejano singer Selena Quintanilla-Pérez
Generation X:
Malik Zulu Shabbaz (b. 1966)
Timothy McVeigh (b. 1968)
Mohammed Atta (b. 1968)
Cory Booker (b. 1969) not allowed; fine idealistic champion
Paul Nehlen (b. 1969) neo nazi candidate
Quannel X (b. 1970) not allowed; new black panther leader
Matthew Hale (b. 1971) neo-nazi leader
Wade Michael Page (b. 1971)
Kristian "Varg" Vikernes (b. 1973) metal rock musician convicted of murder
Jared Fogle (b. 1977) convicted child molester
Rachel Dolezal (b. 1977) not allowed; civil rights leader who posed as a black woman
Richard Spencer (b. 1978) white supremacist publisher
Linda Sarsour (b. 1980) not allowed; fine idealistic champion, civil rights leader
Mark Collett (b. 1980) ? British far right leader, not "bad" enough?
Millennial: still Gen X according to S&H
Eric Harris (b. 1981)
Dylan Klebold (b. 1981)
Millennial:
Anita Sarkeesian (b. 1983) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion feminist
Jason Kessler (b. 1983) neo-nazi activist
Seung Hui-Cho (b. 1984)
Nathan Damigo (b. 1986) neo-nazi activist
Omar Mateen (b. 1986)
Colin Kaepernick (b. 1987) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion, good athlete for a fine team!
Jared Lee Loughner (b. 1988)
Travis Reinking (b. 1989)
Christopher Harper Mercer (b. 1989)
Aaron Hernandez (b. 1989) bad but maybe not among the worst; he suffered brain injury which made him violent
Inna Shevchenko (b. 1990) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion feminist
Devin Patrick Kelly (b. 1991)
Matthew Heimbach (b. 1991)
Elliot Rodger (b. 1991)
Adam Lanza (b. 1992)
Dylann Roof (b. 1994)
TJ Lane (b. 1994)
Joshua Ryne Goldberg (b. 1995)
Generation Z: (Generation Y/Millennials extends to 2003, not 1996)
James Alex Fields (b. 1997)
XXXTentacion (b. 1998) not allowed; rapper and hip hop artist; victim of shooting
Nikolas Cruz (b. 1998)
Thomas Rousseau (b. 1998) neo-nazi group founder
Trippie Redd (b. 1999) I don't like rap, but that doesn't make him a bad apple
Anissa Weier (b. 2001) acted out a fictional murder; didn't succeed at it
Morgan Geyser (b. 2002) partner in the above
Danielle Bregoli (b. 2003) not allowed; female rapper
Generation Z:
Kaia James (b. 2006) not allowed; very fine idealistic champion
mass murderers need no comment.
The list is predominantly American, but not exclusively so. Probably there's a lot more non-american bad apples.
Good idea though. You made some wrong choices, but it's fair to point out bad apples.
S&H were wrong you moron. This is correct: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/...-z-begins/
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