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(03-23-2017, 06:45 AM)Odin Wrote: Technically, I think for something to be consider a con the person doing it has to not believe in the snake oil they are selling, Eric genuinely believes his woo to be true.
Which make him an idiot which really isn't any better and suggests that he lost quite a few IQ points through the years.
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(03-23-2017, 10:37 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (03-23-2017, 06:27 PM)Odin Wrote: (03-23-2017, 06:08 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Has not the last two years proved to you yet that Trump is at least three or four steps ahead of everyone else?
You are seriously brainwashed if you actually believe this. 
Odin, you should have saved your other eye. That way you could see the events as they unfolded over the last couple years. Anyone who can say that he isn't at least three or four steps ahead of everyone else either is delusional or a Dim-ocrat partisan hack.
It matters not to me which one you are.
As for Eric's drivel there is nothing there to respond to. But it is encouraging to see that he can't help but clicking on the posts of those he supposedly has on ignore. Maybe something might sink in. Though experience teaches me to not be so hopeful.
Trump had Russian help and his Alt-Right handlers do all his thinking for him.
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(03-24-2017, 06:58 AM)Odin Wrote: (03-23-2017, 10:37 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: (03-23-2017, 06:27 PM)Odin Wrote: (03-23-2017, 06:08 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Has not the last two years proved to you yet that Trump is at least three or four steps ahead of everyone else?
You are seriously brainwashed if you actually believe this.
Odin, you should have saved your other eye. That way you could see the events as they unfolded over the last couple years. Anyone who can say that he isn't at least three or four steps ahead of everyone else either is delusional or a Dim-ocrat partisan hack.
It matters not to me which one you are.
As for Eric's drivel there is nothing there to respond to. But it is encouraging to see that he can't help but clicking on the posts of those he supposedly has on ignore. Maybe something might sink in. Though experience teaches me to not be so hopeful.
Trump had Russian help and his Alt-Right handlers do all his thinking for him.
Odin you sound like Alphabet now. Seriously as much as they've tried to dig dirt up on Daddy if he had any serious ties to a foreign state other than visiting an ambassador a few times they'd have nailed him on it. I'll give you a hint though, he's president now and I bet he sees at least one foreign ambassador a week.
I got news for you, but you'll probably call it fake since it doesn't come from Pravda or Izvesta Huffpo or Salon. He's president he needs to meet with diplomats to do his presidenting type stuff. Also ambassadors need to meet with him and his aids so they can do their ambassadoring type stuff.
Also you keep using Alt-Right as if that has no meaning. Trump isn't alt-right, most of his supporters are not alt-right, in fact the alt-right is incredibly small unless you want the alt-right to be everyone who isn't an authoritarian globalist (or as I like to call them, patriots).
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(03-24-2017, 12:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Seriously as much as they've tried to dig dirt up on Daddy if he had any serious ties to a foreign state other than visiting an ambassador a few times they'd have nailed him on it. I'll give you (Odin) a hint though, he's president now and I bet he sees at least one foreign ambassador a week.
I got news for you, but you'll probably call it fake since it doesn't come from Pravda or Izvesta Huffpo or Salon. He's president he needs to meet with diplomats to do his presidenting type stuff. Also ambassadors need to meet with him and his aids so they can do their ambassadoring type stuff.
Also you keep using Alt-Right as if that has no meaning. Trump isn't alt-right, most of his supporters are not alt-right, in fact the alt-right is incredibly small unless you want the alt-right to be everyone who isn't an authoritarian globalist (or as I like to call them, patriots).
What is this fixation on Donald Trump as "Daddy"? He's even a dysfunctional husband and father. Does he remind you of something? He is a model of an authoritarian leader. Having gone from Hoxha as a model to Trump -- you have had a strange set of values.
Fascists and Commies have much the same political ethos as gang members -- cross the Big Boss, even subtly, and die horribly. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, and if I were I wouldn't seek to analyze you from a distance. I'm looking more from the angle of the late Eric Hoffer, whose True Believer made seemingly-absurd jumps in ideology from one extremist cause to another. The True Believer could go from being a Gestapo brute to being a Stasi brute, and the rank-and-file Arrow Cross, Iron Guard, and Ustase thug found that he could punish the same objects of brutality (liberals who believed in parliamentary democracy) by turning his loyalties toward Stalin or Tito. Nationalist China had its fanatics, and once Mao took over they often survived by becoming Commie enforcers. But before that, renegade socialists (like Mussolini) and even Communists (like Doriot) became fascists and Nazis. He's the extreme secularist of the fascistic regime of Satan Hussein who becomes the brutal thug of the Islamic State. It is telling that one documentary suggested that Magda Quandt Goebbels (yes, the wife of the master of the Big Lie) might almost as easily have become a fervent Zionist as a fervent Nazi. Finding her alleged stepfather (a Jew -- and genetic evidence shows that he was her biological father!) inconvenient, she sacrificed him on behalf of her husband's murderous cause.
Boris Pasternak gave us one of the most blatant examples in the character Victor Hypocrite- (excuse me, Ippolitovich) Komarovsky, an Establishment figure who hedges his bets on his survival and privilege with dalliances with the revolutionaries. Whoever loses he will sell out to their doom and his gain.
The True Believer has no principles -- only a lust for power and its perquisites. This is the sort who would join the Klan and loudly proclaim the need to protect white Christians in extreme danger, only to sell out the people that he supposedly depends to Communists or Islamic militants.
I will settle for a humane, liberal pragmatism any day.
And, yes, the 'dirt' on your Great and Infallible Leader, your Idol with Clay Feet, is getting more convincing and more blatant every day. As the late Sam Ervin said, innocent people accused of horrible crimes but have exculpatory evidence come rushing to the DA to offer evidence that can give them safety from prosecution. Say what you want, but reality about your beloved Donald Trump is beginning to look like what Rachel Maddow says it is. She insists upon following the money and fact-checking. I wish that it hadn't been so bad -- but that would require someone other than Donald Trump as President.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(03-25-2017, 12:00 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (03-24-2017, 12:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Seriously as much as they've tried to dig dirt up on Daddy if he had any serious ties to a foreign state other than visiting an ambassador a few times they'd have nailed him on it. I'll give you (Odin) a hint though, he's president now and I bet he sees at least one foreign ambassador a week.
I got news for you, but you'll probably call it fake since it doesn't come from Pravda or Izvesta Huffpo or Salon. He's president he needs to meet with diplomats to do his presidenting type stuff. Also ambassadors need to meet with him and his aids so they can do their ambassadoring type stuff.
Also you keep using Alt-Right as if that has no meaning. Trump isn't alt-right, most of his supporters are not alt-right, in fact the alt-right is incredibly small unless you want the alt-right to be everyone who isn't an authoritarian globalist (or as I like to call them, patriots).
What is this fixation on Donald Trump as "Daddy"? He's even a dysfunctional husband and father. Does he remind you of something? He is a model of an authoritarian leader. Having gone from Hoxha as a model to Trump -- you have had a strange set of values.
Fascists and Commies have much the same political ethos as gang members -- cross the Big Boss, even subtly, and die horribly. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, and if I were I wouldn't seek to analyze you from a distance. I'm looking more from the angle of the late Eric Hoffer, whose True Believer made seemingly-absurd jumps in ideology from one extremist cause to another. The True Believer could go from being a Gestapo brute to being a Stasi brute, and the rank-and-file Arrow Cross, Iron Guard, and Ustase thug found that he could punish the same objects of brutality (liberals who believed in parliamentary democracy) by turning his loyalties toward Stalin or Tito. Nationalist China had its fanatics, and once Mao took over they often survived by becoming Commie enforcers. But before that, renegade socialists (like Mussolini) and even Communists (like Doriot) became fascists and Nazis. He's the extreme secularist of the fascistic regime of Satan Hussein who becomes the brutal thug of the Islamic State. It is telling that one documentary suggested that Magda Quandt Goebbels (yes, the wife of the master of the Big Lie) might almost as easily have become a fervent Zionist as a fervent Nazi. Finding her alleged stepfather (a Jew -- and genetic evidence shows that he was her biological father!) inconvenient, she sacrificed him on behalf of her husband's murderous cause.
Boris Pasternak gave us one of the most blatant examples in the character Victor Hypocrite- (excuse me, Ippolitovich) Komarovsky, an Establishment figure who hedges his bets on his survival and privilege with dalliances with the revolutionaries. Whoever loses he will sell out to their doom and his gain.
The True Believer has no principles -- only a lust for power and its perquisites. This is the sort who would join the Klan and loudly proclaim the need to protect white Christians in extreme danger, only to sell out the people that he supposedly depends to Communists or Islamic militants.
I will settle for a humane, liberal pragmatism any day.
And, yes, the 'dirt' on your Great and Infallible Leader, your Idol with Clay Feet, is getting more convincing and more blatant every day. As the late Sam Ervin said, innocent people accused of horrible crimes but have exculpatory evidence come rushing to the DA to offer evidence that can give them safety from prosecution. Say what you want, but reality about your beloved Donald Trump is beginning to look like what Rachel Maddow says it is. She insists upon following the money and fact-checking. I wish that it hadn't been so bad -- but that would require someone other than Donald Trump as President.
PBR. You've made this same post several times in several threads. Are you attempting to convince me or yourself?
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(03-24-2017, 12:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Seriously as much as they've tried to dig dirt up on Daddy if he had any serious ties to a foreign state other than visiting an ambassador a few times they'd have nailed him on it.
Have you been paying attention to the news for the past week, or is that all fake to you?
You're a brainwashed cult member, you just switched cults.
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I can't help but hear MSM from time to time. They have nothing. If they did the House would pounce on it as there are enough Establishment GOPers around to start an impeachment. And they really wouldn't mind Pence.
We'll see though. If there is actual evidence I expect the House to act on it--but I doubt that there is because if there were they would have found it long before now.
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(03-25-2017, 02:03 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I can't help but hear MSM from time to time. They have nothing. If they did the House would pounce on it as there are enough Establishment GOPers around to start an impeachment. And they really wouldn't mind Pence.
We'll see though. If there is actual evidence I expect the House to act on it--but I doubt that there is because if there were they would have found it long before now.
A good portion of the GOP base is more loyal to Trump than they are to the party, now, and the Republicans in Congress fear the wrath of the Psycho Trump Cult. Also, I remember hearing that the Russians got a hold of emails from the RNC as well as from the DNC and so some of the Republicans are probably "compromised" and are scared of what will happen if too much dirt comes out.
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And where did you hear that nonsense?
All evidence indicates that the RNC's servers are no more compromised than any other server. I imagine because they had the foresight to not have the passwords be "password" like John Podesta. Seriously my 7 year old niece could hack him and I'm not sure she even knows what email is.
No I think that the whole Ryancare Debacle was a planned debacle. The president has to get rid of Ryan and his Rinos but can't be seen to get his hands dirty. Next best thing is to give them enough rope for them to hang themselves with. It is an embarassment to him.
As for the rest of it, it isn't my fault Odin that you don't go and read Breitbart from time to time--perhaps you'd know what the enemy was thinking if you did. Lord knows I go onto Huffpo enough, and MSDNC plays as background noise regularly. Hence why I saw Mr. Maddow expose the fact that Trump pays taxes live on the tee-vee.
It was a huge let down for my mother who was convinced that Trump hadn't paid a cent in years.
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(03-25-2017, 03:03 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: No I think that the whole Ryancare Debacle was a planned debacle.
And here comes the delusional rationalizations. You guys sound like us progressives in 2010 going on about Obama playing 11-dimensional chess when he wasn't turning out to be the Second Coming of FDR we were expecting.
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If you say so Odin. Though given our differing track records on predicting things, and reading the political tea leaves, I stand by my statement. The bill Ryan was offering was total garbage. They could pass a clean repeal in about 15 minutes in both houses and the president would sign it before the ink was dry.
The base has been clear since the beginning...repeal first. Then we'll talk about replacements.
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(03-25-2017, 02:03 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I can't help but hear MSM from time to time. They have nothing. If they did the House would pounce on it as there are enough Establishment GOPers around to start an impeachment. And they really wouldn't mind Pence.
This is a crucial fact that Odin and Eric the Obtuse overlook constantly. They do not understand how much the Republican party elites hate Trump. The Republican party base actually hate the leaders of the party because of how easily they caved in on just about every issue.
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(03-25-2017, 03:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: If you say so Odin. Though given our differing track records on predicting things, and reading the political tea leaves, I stand by my statement. The bill Ryan was offering was total garbage. They could pass a clean repeal in about 15 minutes in both houses and the president would sign it before the ink was dry.
The base has been clear since the beginning...repeal first. Then we'll talk about replacements.
It wouldn't shock me if Kinser was right. Trump promised the moon, more people covered, better care and cheaper, which wasn't going to happen. I don't think Trump wanted to take lots of people off insurance. They managed to get the issue off the front burner with enough muddle that they could blame somebody else, anybody else.
I'm not impressed with Trump's people skills or political acumen. It's just as plausible that he just messed up. I'm not going to make a firm call. Let's see how the next several crises fall.
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(03-27-2017, 04:34 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-25-2017, 03:26 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: If you say so Odin. Though given our differing track records on predicting things, and reading the political tea leaves, I stand by my statement. The bill Ryan was offering was total garbage. They could pass a clean repeal in about 15 minutes in both houses and the president would sign it before the ink was dry.
The base has been clear since the beginning...repeal first. Then we'll talk about replacements.
It wouldn't shock me if Kinser was right. Trump promised the moon, more people covered, better care and cheaper, which wasn't going to happen. I don't think Trump wanted to take lots of people off insurance. They managed to get the issue off the front burner with enough muddle that they could blame somebody else, anybody else.
how the next several crises fall.
No, Trump plays to the crowd, and the crowd expects miracles. He can't deliver miracles, but he can deliver hate and discontent. The AHCA went down, and he pointed at everyone but DJT. He lives to tweet another day.
Take the man as he is. He's a privileged overbearing narcissist blowhard in public and a pleasant charmer in private. Both acts are intended to gain favor. Killing healthcare for millions is not going to accomplish that, and he knows it.
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