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Music during the 1T
#1
I predict that EDM and rap will die down as too mechanical, and melodious pop music will dominate the High. At the same time new genres will be born among the Adaptives, they will be underground during the 1T but will explode during the 2T.

Do you have in mind any artists that might give us clue what will the music of the new saeculum be like?
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#2
I think it's way too early to tell.

Like what I said before, 2020 is very likely this 4T's equivalent of 1933 (they are both the worst of each of their respective 4T moments).

I'm pretty sure today's trap, emo rap, and EDM will die off by 2023.
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#3
I've been watching 1T movies during this lockdown and post-lockdown. Doris Day/Rock Hudson movies for example. They are hilarious without raunch or cynicism. There is zero 3rd turning edginess or irony to them. There is some mild foreshadowing of Consciousness Revolution issues bubbling up, the Women's movement in particular, but those issues are not in the forefront. Anyway, I had no idea how much I've been longing for comedy free from raunch and cynicism.

I also re-watched It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World again. It remains the funniest movie ever. Ethyl Merman steals the show even as playing a very negative stereotype of a Mother-in-law.

Also, I recommend a couple great 2nd Turning comedies - What's Up Doc with Barbara Streisand and Ryan O'Neil, and High Anxiety from Mel Brooks.
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#4
Any hope for us trance & techno fans in the 1T & beyond?
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#5
If you want to know what music of the coming 1T will be like, then just go to a Goodwill store and look at the once-precious LP's now available dirt-cheap. Guy Lombardo. Lawrence Welk. Bing Crosby. Doris Day. Patti Paige. That's what GI's were listening to after the Big Bands quit playing and people relied upon records. There was much "Hawaiian" and "Latin" music... and it was incredibly insipid. If it went a bit rustic it went to Gene Autry, the "Singing Cowboy". And don't forget all the empty Muzak-like arrangements often derided in the 1970's as "elevator music". This was not music to think by.

OK, the Silent went for whimsy and even early rock (think of Chuck Barry and Buddy Holly)... but just think of what it was like to hear the anesthetizing sound that GI's offered Boomers. It's hardly surprising that Boomers would go in every direction other than to that stuff.

Maybe this Crisis will have a different effect upon mass culture... Still, it used to be rather easy to get classical music, jazz, R&B, or folk on CD in retail stores, and it isn't now.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#6
If this 4T goes poorly enough, and I think it might - a defeat in a war with China, say - 1T music might continue the darker themes of the 3T in a popular form.
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#7
(02-01-2021, 09:31 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: Any hope for us trance & techno fans in the 1T & beyond?

Sure.  It may change a lot, but it will still be based there. Then again, music always evolves.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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#8
(02-01-2021, 09:31 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: Any hope for us trance & techno fans in the 1T & beyond?

Most people outgrow the pop music of their youth. For my generation (Boomers) when the pop music quite pretending to any high purpose (disco sucks!, and bubble-gum rock directed at teen X), many of us had to go adult. "Elevator music" was the wrong sort of 'adult' music. Also available were R&B, country (the previous two assuming that one was in a certain culture), or something less specific to any ethnicity -- folk, jazz, classical, or for a short time, "new age".

Here's the problem for any pop music: much of it is really awful. There have been exceptions, like Big Band, and it gets revivals. I could make the case that the compositions of Haydn and Mozart had much the same sort of appeal in their time, and the waltz and ragtime crazes.  Is ragtime part of classical music? It is close. Joplin rags have some attractive counterpoint. Good music has a tendency to survive, often appearing in new expressions. Aaron Copland adopted the folk song "Simple Gifts" into his theme-and-variations ballet score Appalachian Spring (1944), which CBS News often used as lead music for news programs. But this folk tune is remarkably similar to that of a work for brass ensemble by Giovanni Gabriel ( Canzon per sonare no. 2) much older than the folk song which dates from 1848.

The Canzona (published in 1615, written no earlier than 1612)





the folk song which is obviously much newer than the Renaissance-era canzona:





and a masterful set of orchestral variations  expressing supreme optimism in America as the last Crisis was winding down (1944) in supreme triumph: 





I would not be surprised if there is a synthesized version of these.  

... but back to the not-so-specific. 3T fads and crazes have little staying power. There is much creativity in a 3T because of more complete freedom from pressures to conform to old standards of behavior and content. Human behavior not in a 3T explain why those standards of behavior and content exist. Nobody says "Burn the fads!"... more likely, it is that during a 4T, fads and crazes that don't have the support of Crisis-era leadership tend to die. Will it be different this time? Maybe. We have a war against the worst enemy that America has ever faced, and we have extermination of that enemy as an objective. COVID-19 has no chance, as did the German or Japanese governments during the last Crisis or the Confederacy had during the previous Crisis to surrender to stop the killing. Donald Trump has not been effective in promoting the sort of regimentation necessary for defeating COVID-19; if anything the people most likely to defy him (or at least act independently of him) have been most effective in fighting the Great Menace. 

The good stuff of course survives. So do virtues that get a society through the Crisis. Ugly compromises necessary for getting through the Crisis (slavery in the American Revolution, plutocracy in the Civil War, and Jim Crow practice in the Second World War) might have to be set aside for solutions in later times.  
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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#9
(02-03-2021, 04:02 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: We have a war against the worst enemy that America has ever faced, and we have extermination of that enemy as an objective. COVID-19 has no chance, as did the German or Japanese governments during the last Crisis or the Confederacy had during the previous Crisis to surrender to stop the killing. Donald Trump has not been effective in promoting the sort of regimentation necessary for defeating COVID-19; if anything the people most likely to defy him (or at least act independently of him) have been most effective in fighting the Great Menace. 

The Spanish Flu was far more deadly than covid-19, and it killed young people, while covid-19 primarily kills old people who were at the end of their life anyway.

Covid-19 will not be remembered as the focus of this crisis.  Whatever is to come in the next decade will be much worse.
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#10
Is there even music during a first turning?

Ah yes, "insipid". That's my prediction too.
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