03-01-2017, 03:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 03:58 PM by Eric the Green.)
Republicans offer a choice for health care: Tums, or Advil. Or some good soup.
ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma
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03-01-2017, 03:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 03:58 PM by Eric the Green.)
Republicans offer a choice for health care: Tums, or Advil. Or some good soup. (03-01-2017, 03:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 03:44 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 02:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 01:18 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 05:11 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Unfortunately, if it goes, it will only be replaced by a private Republican system.Obamacare was -- actually l was referring to the Carlin thing but, whatever. Yeah, the Donald could f it up Eri Wrote:Quote:Quote:Health care is not cable TV; it's a necessity. -- well there's Rags' VAT. Or Bernie's Wall St tax. Or how about legalizing the country's #1 cash crop & taxing it? Or we don't have to tax anything or anybody- simply redirect $ from those 2 black holes called Iraq & Afghanistan into an expanded Medicare for all
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03-01-2017, 09:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 09:40 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-01-2017, 04:06 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 03:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 03:44 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 02:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 01:18 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- supposed to get rid of the single payor argument for good. "Oh look! We got this crap! Who needs single payor?" All possibilities, but like I told Rags, the payroll tax has the advantage that people are earning the coverage, which makes it more acceptable in a nation of trickle-down welfare-haters. And in the case of Medicare, enrollees also pay quite a lot directly now to get Medicare Part B and maybe other Parts too. Medicare isn't much without Part B. Oh, and the Carlin thing was not beside the point, it IS the point
03-01-2017, 10:30 PM
(03-01-2017, 09:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: All possibilities, but like I told Rags, the payroll tax has the advantage that people are earning the coverage, which makes it more acceptable in a nation of trickle-down welfare-haters. And in the case of Medicare, enrollees also pay quite a lot directly now to get Medicare Part B and maybe other Parts too. Medicare isn't much without Part B. The payroll tax falls only on people who work. R U suggesting a graduated payroll tax or leave it like it is now? Now , if you do that than all income is subject to the new payroll tax. I don't think only workers should pay this because lots of 'em make a lot less than people who do not work. Now, if you're talking rent income, capital gains income, interest income, and what the hell all income gets taxed. I do not want to see those great big fat juicy pigs like Soros and the Kochs paying nothing. Where's there's pigs, there's bacon, Eric. OK?
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03-02-2017, 06:30 AM
(03-01-2017, 10:30 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:(03-01-2017, 09:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: All possibilities, but like I told Rags, the payroll tax has the advantage that people are earning the coverage, which makes it more acceptable in a nation of trickle-down welfare-haters. And in the case of Medicare, enrollees also pay quite a lot directly now to get Medicare Part B and maybe other Parts too. Medicare isn't much without Part B. That makes sense.
03-02-2017, 10:28 AM
Why bother discussing this at all. The GOP is split, with the repeal-only camp having the votes needed to stop anything like 'replace' or even 'improve'. This will be a long time being addressed, and the ensuing mess will be what drives an eventual solution, whatever that will be ... if anything.
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03-02-2017, 10:31 AM
(03-02-2017, 10:28 AM)David Horn Wrote: Why bother discussing this at all. The GOP is split, with the repeal-only camp having the votes needed to stop anything like 'replace' or even 'improve'. This will be a long time being addressed, and the ensuing mess will be what drives an eventual solution, whatever that will be ... if anything. -- don't hurt to get our ducks in a row now, so that when the time comes we'll be ready
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03-02-2017, 06:01 PM
(03-02-2017, 10:28 AM)David Horn Wrote: Why bother discussing this at all. The GOP is split, with the repeal-only camp having the votes needed to stop anything like 'replace' or even 'improve'. This will be a long time being addressed, and the ensuing mess will be what drives an eventual solution, whatever that will be ... if anything. Quote:Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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03-08-2017, 05:32 PM
CNN has the American Medical Association opposes GOP health care bill. CBS has AARP opposes health care bill.
Anyone coming out for it outside of the GOP elite?
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03-09-2017, 12:46 AM
CNN has listed Groups lining up in opposition to GOP health care plan.
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03-09-2017, 12:34 PM
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(03-09-2017, 12:46 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN has listed Groups lining up in opposition to GOP health care plan.Oh, but that is fake "lamestream media" news, right?
03-09-2017, 12:55 PM
(03-09-2017, 12:34 PM)The Wonkette Wrote:(03-09-2017, 12:46 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: CNN has listed Groups lining up in opposition to GOP health care plan. Good dig, but the scary part, or maybe the saving grace, is the diversity of the list. Move any direction, and part of the list goes into Battle Stations mode. Sit in the middle, and the votes aren't there, but the rage builds even further. The Repeal Now crowd is getting some traction, based solely on embarrassment over repudiating earlier votes, but it's unclear that this is enough to trigger action. So far, it's a comedy with tragic potential.
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03-09-2017, 03:37 PM
The best thing that can happen with most-anything Trump and the Gophers do, is for it to go nowhere. All the action for democracy, freedom and justice now is in the resist movement; period. Thankfully, the red menace has an orange menace as its general. Cheeto Nero Benito.
03-10-2017, 10:09 PM
Looks like the GOP infighting as begun. This current plan they are floating pisses off the Freedom Caucus folks who insist on a full repeal and no replacement, but a full repeal would be opposed by GOP senators in Medicare expansion states. It will be hilarious if the ACA survives because of this, LMAO!
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03-10-2017, 10:30 PM
Not so fast skippy....Rand has already floated the same repeal that passed the Senate twice.
As for a replacement I think this is a matter that should be turned over to the states. Give them a mandate to provide universal coverage some how and how to pay for it some how. This shouldn't be a federal matter. That way Commiefornia can have what it wants and Alabama can have what it wants. Federalism...it works...mostly
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03-10-2017, 11:53 PM
(03-09-2017, 03:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The best thing that can happen with most-anything Trump and the Gophers do, is for it to go nowhere. All the action for democracy, freedom and justice now is in the resist movement; period. Thankfully, the red menace has an orange menace as its general. Cheeto Nero Benito. Trump, golf courses, and gophers. Wow, that brings back memories, man.
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03-11-2017, 05:01 AM
(03-09-2017, 03:37 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The best thing that can happen with most-anything Trump and the Gophers do, is for it to go nowhere. All the action for democracy, freedom and justice now is in the resist movement; period. Thankfully, the red menace has an orange menace as its general. Cheeto Nero Benito. Ironic that you should suddenly now be in favor of gridlock.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken
If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. -- Ludwig von Mises
03-11-2017, 05:05 AM
(03-10-2017, 10:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Not so fast skippy....Rand has already floated the same repeal that passed the Senate twice. The modern liberal or progressive can't stand the idea of people making decisions for themselves. If they allow this then those who are better at decision making may end up better off than those who don't and that simply can not be allowed.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -- H.L. Mencken
If one rejects laissez faire on account of man's fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action. -- Ludwig von Mises
03-11-2017, 07:47 AM
(01-16-2017, 02:20 AM)of the Warren Dew Wrote: First, perhaps the main reason they are cheaper is that alll the drug research is paid for by us, and they only pay the costs of manufacture. I work for Pfizer. That's bullshit. If we no longer had the US market to gouge our gross margins would go down. We would have to close New Jersey. Good riddance, as far as we can tell they don't do anything. We would have to stop advertising and go with life cycle pricing. Life would go on, sales would go up in terms of kilograms (good for us) but down in terms of dollars (bad for the suits). The drug business would once again have something to do with developing, making and selling drugs--just like in the good old days. But that's just a pipe dream. In another decade there won't be anyone left who can remember the good old days. The issue is simple. President Trump talked about having the government bargain for lower drug prices like other governments do. A bunch of suits from industry went to see him and after a brief meeting convinced his not to pursue this. In the span of a few hours they did more more their companies bottom line that a thousand researchers developing new products could. That's why the lion's share of the cost of drugs does not go to those who discover, develop, and make the products the drug companies sell, but to the suits. That's why when we got taken over they closed all of our drug R&D. And they did so for all the R&D from the other companies Pfizer had acquired. They have closed half of the manufacturing facilities too, but they kept our corporate HQ. Apparently they still need the suits, they can do without the drug development scientists, and the manufacturing plants, but not the suits.
03-11-2017, 08:28 AM
(03-11-2017, 05:05 AM)Galen Wrote:(03-10-2017, 10:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Not so fast skippy....Rand has already floated the same repeal that passed the Senate twice. Another case of freedom being inversely proportional to equality. Strangely I've recently read a book over a century old about their mindset, of course back then, they called them the Radicals. Honestly I think that term is far more accurate than Progressive. clicky
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