This 4T seems very slow and dragged out and you could see hints of it even in 2001.

...at least America has no heritage of military dictatorship. Should there ever be a coup in America, it is probably to stop a Trump-like leader who starts showing signs that he wants to kill American democracy and has the means. Jair Bolsonaro seems to love the ferocity of the prior Brazilian military regime and... Agosto Pinochet, someone who imposed Soviet-style repression for 'protection' of Chile from socialist trends that preceded him. Women, indigenous people, LGBT, the poor (the poor in Brazil are really poor) seem to be fair game.

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bolsonaro...a713b24bce

Quote:Bolsonaro was widely considered one of the most immediately dangerous of the far-right leaders who have risen to power across the world over the last decade. Though he mimicked President Donald Trump and even embraced the nickname that he was “The Trump of the Tropics,” Bolsonaro assumed control of a much younger democracy with much weaker institutions than exist in the United States. 

Bolsonaro, who relentlessly attacked the legitimacy of the press during his campaign, has continued to do so as president, and not just with his ubiquitous cries of “fake news.” He has threatened to cancel government advertising contracts with large newspapers he doesn’t like, and even tried to bar government offices from subscribing to Brazil’s biggest newspaper. He has emboldened supporters to attack journalists, too, both online and in person: Patricia Campos Mello, an award-winning reporter for Folha de S.Paulo, said at a New York ceremony this year that reporters, and especially female reporters, are more at risk now than they have been at any time since the end of the dictatorship. 

SNL Goes All Out for Democratic Debate With Larry David, Woody Harrelson, Maya Rudolph and More

https://www.thedailybeast.com/snl-goes-a...nKUVW7wpks





Presidential candidates Andrew Yang (Bowen Yang), Pete Buttigieg (Colin Jost), Cory Booker (Chris Redd), Elizabeth Warren (Kate McKinnon), Amy Klobuchar (Rachel Dratch), Tom Steyer (Will Ferrell), Michael Bloomberg (Fred Armisen), Tulsi Gabbard (Cecily Strong) Bernie Sanders (Larry David), Joe Biden (Woody Harrelson) and Kamala Harris (Maya Rudolph) speak at MSNBC’s 2020 Democratic Debate.


Glen Cochrane
3 weeks ago
More people have seen this spoof of the debate than the actual debate.

Rchl Swtzr
3 weeks ago
This is only ever so slightly more absurd then real life.

FedralBI
1 week ago
Anyone else find Cecily Strong's Tulsi terrifyingly arousing.

Reading through these forums, it seems a number of people here believe that this will somehow turn out to be a mild crisis where not much happens.  But if the Fourth Turning theories are correct, this cannot be the case.  As fractured and fragmented as the U.S. is culturally, nothing less than a major crisis could put it back together again.  This leaves a few likely possibilities for the Crisis, which I'll discuss briefly here.

First, it could resolve itself in an enormous war.  The only powers in the world which could realistically take on the U.S., and which there's any reasonable chance of the U.S. fighting, would be China and Russia.  As Crises are an opportunity to resolve issues, it may be that the U.S., and some of its allies, go to war against both China and Russia, under the idea that all nations must be democratic.  This could result in a vastly strengthened United Nations which has real power, an actual global government.

Failing that, the U.S. is left with a civil or revolutionary war.

One possibility is portions of the U.S. attempting to break off and form their own country.  While this is certainly possible, I don't see this as being the core of the crisis or the resolution of it, as that's not where the fault lines are in the country today.  The political divide in the U.S. of left versus right wing is not geographic; rural areas are conservative while cities are liberal.  There's no way to string together all the cities to make a separate nation, nor can the south reasonably rise again when the 30% of its people who are black will have no interest in forming a separate new confederacy.

This leaves us with a revolutionary war of one sort or another.

From the right, you could have a military coup, as some president, with the help of the military, suspends the congress and simply takes over.  From the left, you have the possibility of a socialist revolution.  In either case, they couldn't happen until the climate allowing them was in place.  A socialist revolution can't happen in a wealthy prosperous society, people have to be poor and hungry before they're ready to overthrow the system in such a way.  Similarly, things would have to be really bad before the military would be willing to set aside the constitution and put a dictator in place.

There is, of course, the possibility that parts of all of this happen.  The U.S. goes to war against Russia or China, both sides pledge not to use nuclear weapons unless necessary, the west coast of the U.S. tries to break off and form its own country, Texas announces it's going its own way as well, all hell is breaking loose and the economy has gone to hell, and now some attempt at a government takeover, left or right, takes place.

It's difficult to say which would end up worse.  An all out nuclear war would of course be the worst possible option.  Every socialist revolution has ended in utter disaster.  A right wing government takeover could result in massive amounts of ethnic cleansing, if the U.S. decided to send all members of various races or religions back to their countries of origin.

One way or another, I think this is going to be far, far worse than many of you here are imagining.

First there was Joel Garreau's The Nine Nations of America, then The Day America Told The Truth, by James Patterson and Peter Kim.  Now there is a third entry in this genre: The Untied States of America, by Fred Kilbourne:

http://www.untiedus.com

Nice try, dude - but some of these new nations would simply not be viable.

I'll redraw the map for him:

North Atlantica: The six New England states, plus New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania if Trump loses Pennsylvania in 2020, or the six New England states plus New York and New Jersey only if Trump carries Pennsylvania again in 2020.

North Centralia: Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, plus Pennsylvania if Trump carries it again in 2020.

South Atlantica: Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.

South Centralia: Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana.

Granaria: Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas.

Orographia: Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho.

Desertia: Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona.

Pacifica: California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Hawaii.

Washington, DC would revert to Maryland, and each new nation would obviously have its own capital.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme...ve_trends/

Thought this was a very interesting read. The consensus about today’s teens and younger from teachers is that they’re shockingly kind, well behaved, and very creative with meme culture. All traits strongly associated with their archetype.

I never heard that used against left-wing boomers like Jeremy Corbyn or Elizabeth Warren. It's always about conservative boomers who don't care about global warming, go to church and are not "inclusive" enough.

Was there something like "OK missionary" meme against conservative Missionaries during the previous 4T?

Since it will be 2020 soon, it will be around 8 years until this turning ends. We're already more than halfway through.

I think I found someone who embodies every characteristic of Generation X: David Goggins (EDIT: born 1975):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTHzmRA_ZZw


This man had a very tough upbringing. He believes that suffering is what’s needed to truly overcome obstacles and to achieve greatness. He realized that nobody was there to help him at a young age and that he himself needed to rise to the occasion to become successful. 

Probably the most quintessential Gen Xer I have ever witnessed.

Or are they typically seen as weak or as lesser than even after the 4T ends?