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(02-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-09-2019, 11:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: You simply restate your premises, which refutes nothing. A racist doing what you do (and racists are the easiest people to refute) what you would do is to start with the assumption that blacks are uniformly inadequate and would have as a proof the recapitulation of your premise. I would have plenty of counter-arguments... that plenty of blacks have achieved greatly, that lesser performance represents disadvantages in economics and public services, and that 'race' is ambiguous in America. A racist would begin with serial-killer Alton Coleman (Ted Bundy without the wit and superficial charm, and lesser intellect -- and black) and end with Alton Coleman. I would have Barack Obama, who is nearly-half white -- surprise his mother was 1/16 black) and demonstrate that without the disabilities that many American blacks have faced in the past he has achieved the Highest Office in the Land and done it well. The racist returns to the loathsome Alton Coleman, an example of pure and unattractive criminality.
Yes, I'm out of my league here. Clearly, I'm not in the same as you with my writing skills. In a way, it's a damn good thing for you that I haven't taken away that advantage by brushing up or reinvigorating the grammar skills that I had during the 1980's. Yes, it would be hard to believe that you're communicating with a former higher level student who was stuck in high level English, science and math classes with the high level students throughout his middle school and high school years. A high level student who tested out of a third of the courses and the time and expenses associated with the courses. You know what I learned that college failed to teach you or your mind failed to allow you to learn, I learned how to directly communicate with different people and learned the value of speaking with different people and the value of adjusting my use of language in order to relate with people and easily communicate with a wide range of people. Now, if you see value in demeaning or deluding and misapplying the word racism or racist then so be it because it's only going to be blues who end up being hurt by it. You are supposed to be a smart person. Me, I'm supposed to be an idiot and I'm cool with the idea of blues teaching blues that on a regular basis because all that does is end up hurting blues. As you know, reds don't pay much attention to what blues have to say about much of anything relating to them these days.
Getting the grammar right is but the start. Good writing depends upon offering something worthy of someone else reading it. Maybe the topic (let us say lion-taming) might be interesting in its own right. Figuring that lions and humans have similar social structures, maybe one learns how individual the lions are and through such one develops a rapport with creatures that usually start by contemplating us as dinner. But I caught your logical limitation. Writing must seem to move even if it ends up in a circle. If you have changed something before ending up in the same place that you started, then you have achieved something in your writing. If you have simply gone back to the same place as the result of a random wandering, then you have achieved nothing. The Sunday drive, once a commonplace activity in which people took a drive in a random direction and then returned, faded out as oil prices got high. People did not return to it. People have discovered how empty it is, and they now expect to find a destination.
The best advice for becoming a good writer is to be a prolific reader of the good stuff. You will learn nothing from trash except the trite and ultimately boring.
I gave up cursing at people who showed that they probably voted for Trump. I told one fellow who I figured was a farmer that I hoped that the President's trade war would not gut his income and increase his cost of living. Farmers sell commodities on the world market and have costs that can rise if something goes wrong.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(02-10-2019, 08:31 AM)David Horn Wrote: Feel free to be whatever and whoever you wish. At your age, it's unlikely that you would change your mind, and it's not that important to me, or society, that you do. So, in your estimate, why do you think we on the left are so determined to do that? It falls right into the arguments you make that we're trying to impose communism on the US, and they make no sense either.
I never expect my children or grandchildren to be other than who they are. If I can't win them over by the strength of my arguments and the evidence of how the world works, it may be time for another change. I know that the pendulum swings, and the ever changing generational center of gravity is what triggers it. If I have no expectations and make no demands on my own, why should I care about you?
Yep. At my age, it's unlikely that I'm going to change my mind or my views on much of anything important. What have you been doing here, and at the other forum for over the last decade? You still seem determined to change important stuff like American laws, American legal systems, perceptions, beliefs, Constitutional language and laws, weakening civil rights that pertain to whites and males in general that are relevant or directly relate to me and a large portion of this country. You're not as determined as you were years ago but you still seem determined to me. Isn't that evidence enough? I don't think I need any more evidence but if you want to give more that's fine with me. I can always use more evidence.
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(02-10-2019, 07:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-09-2019, 11:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: You simply restate your premises, which refutes nothing. A racist doing what you do (and racists are the easiest people to refute) what you would do is to start with the assumption that blacks are uniformly inadequate and would have as a proof the recapitulation of your premise. I would have plenty of counter-arguments... that plenty of blacks have achieved greatly, that lesser performance represents disadvantages in economics and public services, and that 'race' is ambiguous in America. A racist would begin with serial-killer Alton Coleman (Ted Bundy without the wit and superficial charm, and lesser intellect -- and black) and end with Alton Coleman. I would have Barack Obama, who is nearly-half white -- surprise his mother was 1/16 black) and demonstrate that without the disabilities that many American blacks have faced in the past he has achieved the Highest Office in the Land and done it well. The racist returns to the loathsome Alton Coleman, an example of pure and unattractive criminality.
Yes, I'm out of my league here. Clearly, I'm not in the same as you with my writing skills. In a way, it's a damn good thing for you that I haven't taken away that advantage by brushing up or reinvigorating the grammar skills that I had during the 1980's. Yes, it would be hard to believe that you're communicating with a former higher level student who was stuck in high level English, science and math classes with the high level students throughout his middle school and high school years. A high level student who tested out of a third of the courses and the time and expenses associated with the courses. You know what I learned that college failed to teach you or your mind failed to allow you to learn, I learned how to directly communicate with different people and learned the value of speaking with different people and the value of adjusting my use of language in order to relate with people and easily communicate with a wide range of people. Now, if you see value in demeaning or deluding and misapplying the word racism or racist then so be it because it's only going to be blues who end up being hurt by it. You are supposed to be a smart person. Me, I'm supposed to be an idiot and I'm cool with the idea of blues teaching blues that on a regular basis because all that does is end up hurting blues. As you know, reds don't pay much attention to what blues have to say about much of anything relating to them these days.
You can't really claim to have learned to communicate with different people, or learned the value of speaking with them, if you don't pay attention to what they say. And since you don't know what blues actually advocate, but substitute your own ideas of what we say for what we actually say instead, then you haven't communicated well there either.
You keep accusing me of not understanding and then you get irked when I understand and say no or don't go there. Do you understand what you asking of us, demanding of us or simply expect to receive from us? Politics has changed. Politics is now personal. Do understand that and understand why it's that way today. Here's a clue, a member of the America Right is directly speaking to you live.
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(02-11-2019, 02:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-10-2019, 07:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-09-2019, 08:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-09-2019, 11:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: You simply restate your premises, which refutes nothing. A racist doing what you do (and racists are the easiest people to refute) what you would do is to start with the assumption that blacks are uniformly inadequate and would have as a proof the recapitulation of your premise. I would have plenty of counter-arguments... that plenty of blacks have achieved greatly, that lesser performance represents disadvantages in economics and public services, and that 'race' is ambiguous in America. A racist would begin with serial-killer Alton Coleman (Ted Bundy without the wit and superficial charm, and lesser intellect -- and black) and end with Alton Coleman. I would have Barack Obama, who is nearly-half white -- surprise his mother was 1/16 black) and demonstrate that without the disabilities that many American blacks have faced in the past he has achieved the Highest Office in the Land and done it well. The racist returns to the loathsome Alton Coleman, an example of pure and unattractive criminality.
Yes, I'm out of my league here. Clearly, I'm not in the same as you with my writing skills. In a way, it's a damn good thing for you that I haven't taken away that advantage by brushing up or reinvigorating the grammar skills that I had during the 1980's. Yes, it would be hard to believe that you're communicating with a former higher level student who was stuck in high level English, science and math classes with the high level students throughout his middle school and high school years. A high level student who tested out of a third of the courses and the time and expenses associated with the courses. You know what I learned that college failed to teach you or your mind failed to allow you to learn, I learned how to directly communicate with different people and learned the value of speaking with different people and the value of adjusting my use of language in order to relate with people and easily communicate with a wide range of people. Now, if you see value in demeaning or deluding and misapplying the word racism or racist then so be it because it's only going to be blues who end up being hurt by it. You are supposed to be a smart person. Me, I'm supposed to be an idiot and I'm cool with the idea of blues teaching blues that on a regular basis because all that does is end up hurting blues. As you know, reds don't pay much attention to what blues have to say about much of anything relating to them these days.
You can't really claim to have learned to communicate with different people, or learned the value of speaking with them, if you don't pay attention to what they say. And since you don't know what blues actually advocate, but substitute your own ideas of what we say for what we actually say instead, then you haven't communicated well there either.
You keep accusing me of not understanding and then you get irked when I understand and say no or don't go there. Do you understand what you asking of us, demanding of us or simply expect to receive from us? Politics has changed. Politics is now personal. Do understand that and understand why it's that way today. Here's a clue, a member of the America Right is directly speaking to you live.
Ha ha, no, I'm not "irked." It's just plain that you don't understand your opposition, and yet you claim to, when in fact you just parrot the slogans about "socialism" that your red leaders and barons emit and program into you.
And you claim no racism, and yet comments like "white male civil rights" creep in to your posts....
I claim a right to take your guns away!  Actually, I don't, but I know that's the hot-button "personal" issue for you guys. I live in a different world; I don't need a gun. I'm not planning to have a personal shootout with you. I know I'd lose anyway; I'd be the Hamilton....
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(02-11-2019, 03:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Ha ha, no, I'm not "irked." It's just plain that you don't understand your opposition, and yet you claim to, when in fact you just parrot the slogans about "socialism" that your red leaders and barons emit and program into you.
And you claim no racism, and yet comments like "white male civil rights" creep in to your posts....
I claim a right to take your guns away! Actually, I don't, but I know that's the hot-button "personal" issue for you guys. I live in a different world; I don't need a gun. I'm not planning to have a personal shootout with you. I know I'd lose anyway; I'd be the Hamilton....
Nope. I'm not racist. I'm just not deaf and blind or incapable of reading. But, I understand that many on your side are racists. You see, I know what racism looks like and sounds like and acts like. Yes. You accuse us of being racist A LOT. Let's see, we are racist for doing this and supporting that and not doing this or not supporting that and saying this or not going a long with that and not understanding this and so forth. Do you see what I mean or don't you quite understand what your actually doing yet? Oh, I'm sure that you are still one of the sharpest tools in the blue shed. I'm even sure that you could sell snow to an Eskimo during the winter as long as it was a blue Eskimo.
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(02-11-2019, 10:00 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 03:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Ha ha, no, I'm not "irked." It's just plain that you don't understand your opposition, and yet you claim to, when in fact you just parrot the slogans about "socialism" that your red leaders and barons emit and program into you.
And you claim no racism, and yet comments like "white male civil rights" creep in to your posts....
I claim a right to take your guns away! Actually, I don't, but I know that's the hot-button "personal" issue for you guys. I live in a different world; I don't need a gun. I'm not planning to have a personal shootout with you. I know I'd lose anyway; I'd be the Hamilton....
Nope. I'm not racist. I'm just not deaf and blind or incapable of reading. But, I understand that many on your side are racists. You see, I know what racism looks like and sounds like and acts like. Yes. You accuse us of being racist A LOT. Let's see, we are racist for doing this and supporting that and not doing this or not supporting that and saying this or not going a long with that and not understanding this and so forth. Do you see what I mean or don't you quite understand what your actually doing yet? Oh, I'm sure that you are still one of the sharpest tools in the blue shed. I'm even sure that you could sell snow to an Eskimo during the winter as long as it was a blue Eskimo.
I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
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(02-12-2019, 06:08 AM)Chick7 Wrote: If 50% of the US is Fascist and 50% is Communist then who will speak up for freedom?
Not you! You're a libertarian! haha!
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(02-12-2019, 09:27 PM)taramarie Wrote: (02-12-2019, 09:20 PM)Chick7 Wrote: What do we need government for anyway?
If a private association like the MPAA can regulate movies, why can't the private market regulate other things?
When people smoke now, people just call the police on them, but people in the past either took some personal responsibility and ignored smokers, moved away from smokers, or asked smokers to go somewhere else. The problem with a police state is everyone now is either or a slave or a criminal. Who pays the taxes to pay for tyranny?
If smoking is dangerous, can't nonprofits raise funds to pay for educational campaigns that warn of the dangers of smoking instead of outlawing smoking?
Can't people use the BBB to verify if a business is good or not instead of forcing companies to pay fees to get a government business license?
Can't private charities funded by volunteer donations provide homeless shelters and soup kitchens instead of being at forced at the point of a gun by the government to pay taxes that fund welfare?
Can't people use to protect themselves instead of relying on the Gestapo?
https://nypost.com/2017/08/04/alaskan-to...ice-force/
Can't neighbourhoods hire private security firms to protect their homes?
Can't the free market provide toll roads?
Can't the free market provide private airports?
Can't the free market provide private schools?
Can't the free market provide disaster relief instead of FEMA?
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/29/us/ha...index.html
Can't the free market run delivery services instead of the USPS?
http://www.fedex.com/
Can't the free market run railroads instead of Amtrack?
Think.
Thing is, would people willingly pay for these things or would individual greed take over and things fall apart? I get your point, but i think that is a valid question. What is the government for if not to have responsibility for certain basic needs?
I don't think the free markets do a very good job of keeping the internet free of bots like chick7, IMHO.
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(02-12-2019, 10:45 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: (02-12-2019, 09:27 PM)taramarie Wrote: (02-12-2019, 09:20 PM)Chick7 Wrote: What do we need government for anyway?
If a private association like the MPAA can regulate movies, why can't the private market regulate other things?
When people smoke now, people just call the police on them, but people in the past either took some personal responsibility and ignored smokers, moved away from smokers, or asked smokers to go somewhere else. The problem with a police state is everyone now is either or a slave or a criminal. Who pays the taxes to pay for tyranny?
If smoking is dangerous, can't nonprofits raise funds to pay for educational campaigns that warn of the dangers of smoking instead of outlawing smoking?
Can't people use the BBB to verify if a business is good or not instead of forcing companies to pay fees to get a government business license?
Can't private charities funded by volunteer donations provide homeless shelters and soup kitchens instead of being at forced at the point of a gun by the government to pay taxes that fund welfare?
Can't people use to protect themselves instead of relying on the Gestapo?
https://nypost.com/2017/08/04/alaskan-to...ice-force/
Can't neighbourhoods hire private security firms to protect their homes?
Can't the free market provide toll roads?
Can't the free market provide private airports?
Can't the free market provide private schools?
Can't the free market provide disaster relief instead of FEMA?
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/29/us/ha...index.html
Can't the free market run delivery services instead of the USPS?
http://www.fedex.com/
Can't the free market run railroads instead of Amtrack?
Think.
Thing is, would people willingly pay for these things or would individual greed take over and things fall apart? I get your point, but i think that is a valid question. What is the government for if not to have responsibility for certain basic needs?
I don't think the free markets do a very good job of keeping the internet free of bots like chick7, IMHO.
But moderators can. I guess you have some work to do. 
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(02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males). Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular. I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
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(02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males). Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing regularly but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular. I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
You ignore the militia clause in the Second Amendment. At the time of the American Revolution people typically used their flintlock muskets as the weapons with which they would be most comfortable with as tools or warfare. They did not bend plowshares into swords. It is only after weapons specialized for military use came into existence, as around the American Civil War, that soldiers trained to use government-issued firearms. Such objects as artillery had no obvious use in civilian life -- and using those required training and discipline. From the American Civil War on, the weapons that have killed the most people in warfare (I am not counting genocide, which is better described as organized crime than as warfare, and much of it is done with 'small arms', including machetes that have legitimate agricultural use as in 'cutting down the tall trees' in Rwanda) are artillery. Do you want or need a Katyusha rocket launcher which decimated German soldiers on the Eastern Front? Maybe if I have a war museum I might want one...
I cannot interpret "a well-regulated militia being necessary for the defense of a free State" to imply that such persons as idiots, lunatics, criminals, addicts, and habitual drunks have any right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment does not have a non-discrimination clause as do some other Amendments, but if it did it would have such language as a prohibition of federal or state law discriminating against people on such matters as race, color, national origin, gender, partisan affiliation, physical handicap, age above minority or the mercifully-obsolete 'previous condition of servitude' in keeping and bearing arms. Handicapped and elderly people who would never be recruited any militia into probably would never be denied the right to bear arms.
Children, criminals, lunatics, addicts, idiots, and habitual drunks might be reasonably denied any right to bear arms. Were I a judge and had the authority I would deny a firearm to someone involved in an abusive relationship (the person being abused is easily overpowered for the weapon). The classes denied the right to bear arms still have most other enumerated freedoms, including the right to free speech.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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(02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males).
Yes, that's what you said. You refer to rights for whites and males. Why not to rights for all people? For anybody? Do you support the same rights for all people?
Quote:Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular.
My issue is with people who only are concerned with white people and white males in particular. That's an issue I have with you, then, because that's your only concern, it appears. Why not be concerned with the rights of anyone?
Quote:I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
Well, I must not be as sharp as I claim, because I can't really decide who is sharp and who is dull, as easily as you apparently can. But, I'm glad you think I'm one of the sharper tools in the shed of tools that are mostly dull.
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(02-14-2019, 12:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males).
Yes, that's what you said. You refer to rights for whites and males. Why not to rights for all people? For anybody? Do you support the same rights for all people?
Quote:Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular.
My issue is with people who only are concerned with white people and white males in particular. That's an issue I have with you, then, because that's your only concern, it appears. Why not be concerned with the rights of anyone?
Quote:I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
Well, I must not be as sharp as I claim, because I can't really decide who is sharp and who is dull, as easily as you apparently can. But, I'm glad you think I'm one of the sharper tools in the shed of tools that are mostly dull.
Your issue with me is that I'm pretty sharp. Now, I can't change what I am or change the fact that I was born a white male. Now, if you want to use them (my race and gender) against me to spite yourself then go ahead. I don't care about what eventually happens to you for being viewed as associated with me. I don't care if a minority based system that's racist decides that people like you deserve to die or deserve to sit at the back of a bus or deserve to be refused services for old deeds associated with Democrats. I don't care if the Democratic party remains the party of segregation and I don't care if the black caucus remains the black caucus and has to compete with other racial caucus's who view themselves as more racially superior to them.
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(02-18-2019, 01:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males).
Yes, that's what you said. You refer to rights for whites and males. Why not to rights for all people? For anybody? Do you support the same rights for all people?
Quote:Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular.
My issue is with people who only are concerned with white people and white males in particular. That's an issue I have with you, then, because that's your only concern, it appears. Why not be concerned with the rights of anyone?
Quote:I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
Well, I must not be as sharp as I claim, because I can't really decide who is sharp and who is dull, as easily as you apparently can. But, I'm glad you think I'm one of the sharper tools in the shed of tools that are mostly dull.
Your issue with me is that I'm pretty sharp. Now, I can't change what I am or change the fact that I was born a white male. Now, if you want to use them (my race and gender) against me to spite yourself then go ahead. I don't care about what eventually happens to you for being viewed as associated with me. I don't care if a minority based system that's racist decides that people like you deserve to die or deserve to sit at the back of a bus or deserve to be refused services for old deeds associated with Democrats. I don't care if the Democratic party remains the party of segregation and I don't care if the black caucus remains the black caucus and has to compete with other racial caucus's who view themselves as more racially superior to them.
I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
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(02-18-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (to Classic-Xer) I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
Well said. This is actually a defining issue of our times. Of all people, David Brooks, conservative columnist for the NY Times, made that case in detail, and fretted about the 60 years we have spent dividing everyone into separate camps or, worse, into single units. We're all human and have the need for the same things, including the understanding and support of our fellow humans. There's no future in Bowling Alone.
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02-19-2019, 02:28 PM
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(02-18-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-18-2019, 01:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-11-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm a sharp tool and I'm colored blue, and no I don't quite understand what you think I am doing. But I know you referred to white male civil rights, which shows your priorities are based on race and gender. Blues like me, we are interested in rights for everyone. Well, except maybe your right to own a gun; that depends.....
I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males).
Yes, that's what you said. You refer to rights for whites and males. Why not to rights for all people? For anybody? Do you support the same rights for all people?
Quote:Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular.
My issue is with people who only are concerned with white people and white males in particular. That's an issue I have with you, then, because that's your only concern, it appears. Why not be concerned with the rights of anyone?
Quote:I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
Well, I must not be as sharp as I claim, because I can't really decide who is sharp and who is dull, as easily as you apparently can. But, I'm glad you think I'm one of the sharper tools in the shed of tools that are mostly dull.
Your issue with me is that I'm pretty sharp. Now, I can't change what I am or change the fact that I was born a white male. Now, if you want to use them (my race and gender) against me to spite yourself then go ahead. I don't care about what eventually happens to you for being viewed as associated with me. I don't care if a minority based system that's racist decides that people like you deserve to die or deserve to sit at the back of a bus or deserve to be refused services for old deeds associated with Democrats. I don't care if the Democratic party remains the party of segregation and I don't care if the black caucus remains the black caucus and has to compete with other racial caucus's who view themselves as more racially superior to them.
I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
I'm not concerned about white people or concerned about what happens to a group of dumb white people either. Unfortunately for you and every other dumb white person here, I'm not motivated by race or gender. I'm not morally or socially obliged to vote for a black person because they're a black person or vote for this and support that because it's related to black people or related to the interests of a powerful group of black politicians in Washington DC. I'm glad to see that your finally able to see things my way in your own strange way. If you were sharper and not as narrow minded, it wouldn't have taken over a decade to reach a common sense understanding that American rights relate to every American regardless of their race, gender, class and so forth.
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02-19-2019, 05:12 PM
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(02-19-2019, 02:28 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-18-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-18-2019, 01:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (02-14-2019, 12:51 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-13-2019, 12:03 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I referred to civil rights that equally pertain to white people in general and males in general (all males).
Yes, that's what you said. You refer to rights for whites and males. Why not to rights for all people? For anybody? Do you support the same rights for all people?
Quote:Like I said, I'm not deaf and blind or unable to read and decipher and so on. I have some issues with writing and typing related to lack of doing them on a regular basis but that's about it. So, what are blues doing promoting/supporting/advancing/accepting the views of racist or bigoted people on their side? You do understand that's what you're/blues are doing right. So, what's your issue with white people and white males in particular.
My issue is with people who only are concerned with white people and white males in particular. That's an issue I have with you, then, because that's your only concern, it appears. Why not be concerned with the rights of anyone?
Quote:I'm not directly related to an old slave owner or a person who fought for the Confederacy or a person who fought against integration. Yes, you're a sharper tool affiliated with a shed of tools that are mostly dull or one of the smartest people in a room full of idiots or one of the more clever people in a market full of clueless and naive people. Are you really as good as you claim?
Well, I must not be as sharp as I claim, because I can't really decide who is sharp and who is dull, as easily as you apparently can. But, I'm glad you think I'm one of the sharper tools in the shed of tools that are mostly dull.
Your issue with me is that I'm pretty sharp. Now, I can't change what I am or change the fact that I was born a white male. Now, if you want to use them (my race and gender) against me to spite yourself then go ahead. I don't care about what eventually happens to you for being viewed as associated with me. I don't care if a minority based system that's racist decides that people like you deserve to die or deserve to sit at the back of a bus or deserve to be refused services for old deeds associated with Democrats. I don't care if the Democratic party remains the party of segregation and I don't care if the black caucus remains the black caucus and has to compete with other racial caucus's who view themselves as more racially superior to them.
I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
I'm not concerned about white people or concerned about what happens to a group of dumb white people either. Unfortunately for you and every other dumb white person here, I'm not motivated by race or gender. I'm not morally or socially obliged to vote for a black person because they're a black person or vote for this and support that because it's related to black people or related to the interests of a powerful group of black politicians in Washington DC. I'm glad to see that your finally able to see things my way in your own strange way. If you were sharper and not as narrow minded, it wouldn't have taken over a decade to reach a common sense understanding that American rights relate to every American regardless of their race, gender, class and so forth.
Well that sounds nice, but I still wonder from your words whether you feel morally or socially obliged to vote for a white person because they're a white person or vote for this and support that because it's related to white people or related to the interests of a powerful group of white politicians in Washington DC. I have always been sharp enough to know that American rights relate to every American regardless of their race, gender, class and so forth, and no-one has to be that sharp to understand that.
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(02-19-2019, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-18-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (to Classic-Xer) I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
Well said. This is actually a defining issue of our times. Of all people, David Brooks, conservative columnist for the NY Times, made that case in detail, and fretted about the 60 years we have spent dividing everyone into separate camps or, worse, into single units. We're all human and have the need for the same things, including the understanding and support of our fellow humans. There's no future in Bowling Alone.
Yup.
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02-20-2019, 12:22 AM
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(02-19-2019, 05:12 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Well that sounds nice, but I still wonder from your words whether you feel morally or socially obliged to vote for a white person because they're a white person or vote for this and support that because it's related to white people or related to the interests of a powerful group of white politicians in Washington DC. I have always been sharp enough to know that American rights relate to every American regardless of their race, gender, class and so forth, and no-one has to be that sharp to understand that.
You're a white male, do I seem to feel morally or socially obliged to support you and your views and those you favor politically?
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02-20-2019, 01:00 AM
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(02-19-2019, 05:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (02-19-2019, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-18-2019, 11:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (to Classic-Xer) I wish you were a bit sharper; you might realize that being more concerned with white people and white males in particular, just because you are white and male, is a narrow-minded attitude and best, and a racist attitude at worst. A truly sharp person would realize that all humans have the same rights and deserve the same basic needs met. That is something that any sharp person would care about, because rights denied anywhere is rights denied everywhere, and rights denied to anyone is rights denied to you and me too.
Well said. This is actually a defining issue of our times. Of all people, David Brooks, conservative columnist for the NY Times, made that case in detail, and fretted about the 60 years we have spent dividing everyone into separate camps or, worse, into single units. We're all human and have the need for the same things, including the understanding and support of our fellow humans. There's no future in Bowling Alone.
Yup.
Yep. You might as well get used to the idea of Bowling Alone and paying your own way because America is in the process of further separating right now. You want to live your life sitting on a couch, smoking pot and being paid for nothing then you move to a blue area where living that way is viewed as acceptable as long as you vote Democratic.
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