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"Survivor": Millennials vs. Gen X
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(09-20-2016, 05:16 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 04:58 AM)taramarie Wrote: When the issue of Woodstock is raised I have to consider several things. I watched the videos and considered what they have to say as well as my reaction. I also have seen the recording of woodstock. The whole recording. Rather long but I saw it. I was shocked as I have never seen my parents generation act that way before. But I do need to also keep in mind that this was also a subculture of the boomer generation. Others just went about their daily lives not behaving in this manner. I listen to other boomers who are also early boomers and we do need to keep in mind that this would be early boomers. Not later ones who would have been too young for such an event like my mother who was born 1957. She would have been 11or 12 depending on the month. Probably 11 years old. So we need to address it would have been earlier boomers and not all early boomers fit the mold.

The mess would have been due to the fact there were so many and they had not prepared for so many to show up so they were not prepared naturally for the amount of mess they would create. Not enough bins. I do however think it would have been courteous of them to stay around and clean up after.

I have nothing against people using drugs although my initial reaction to the recording of woodstock when they were handing out P was total shock. It is their body to do as they wish with after all. However I do know some of them had wee children and I do think the parents had no right to bring their children to an event like that unsupervised and watching their parents get drunk, high and probably watching them have sex (i saw some doing that in the video). They should be caring for the child, not have the child run wild like that unsupervised and playing parent to the parents. This i saw as well in the video. Children caring for their parents. It sickened me. But I will not blame the whole thing on boomers. This does not include all boomers. Certainly not younger ones who would be too young for this event or the behaviours portrayed which by the sounds of things from the reporters despite what I have mentioned above they were kindly, peaceful and mannerly which I do know actually happened for i saw the video of woodstock.  So there are the good and the bad of my analysis of the event as well as thinking of how they simply were not prepared for so many concert goers...but I do also mention they should have picked up their mess or help to pick up all the mess. Anyway that is the best analysis I can think of currently. Many have moved on from such days. I say many as some still think they are back then and think we should be back then too.

This kind of crap was far more common than is generally acknowledged.  My parents were not hippies, thank God for small favors, but even they were affected by the culture these assholes created.  That self-absorbed, damn the consequences attitude has caused Xers more than a few problems.  Of which, the divorce epidemic was only one of the problems.  This is why so many of us are very good at surviving the stupid.  Those of us with Lost and GI relatives tended to fare better.

It is hard for you to understand what living in a time when the nominal adults were acting like children and busy breaking everything.

Yes of course it is hard for me to understand. I was not alive back then. I judge best as I can from what I have observed but i have not lived it. Only seen it in old videos that were filmed before I was even a twinkle in the eyes of two kids back then (my parents). This is what makes me a millennial and not an Xer. I can only give a fair analysis of one event which not all boomers participated in for reasons I mentioned. I do want to be fair to them especially those of my mother's cohort who were just kids. It would be silly to blame them for that and they are boomers too. The later boomers have been far worse off than earlier boomers financially I also have to address. They also struggle being on the arse end of a large and demanding generation.
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#22
I will read your follow up comment later Galen. I am exhausted (I had a big day enrolling into University, setting up an appointment for my best mate at the careers center at Uni and informing her of it as her phone died). I will be busy taking her there tomorrow but will get back to this convo when I can. I cannot keep my eyes open any longer.
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#23
(09-20-2016, 05:24 AM)taramarie Wrote: Yes of course it is hard for me to understand. I was not alive back then. I judge best as I can from what I have observed but i have not lived it. Only seen it in old videos that were filmed before I was even a twinkle in the eyes of two kids back then (my parents). This is what makes me a millennial and not an Xer. I can only give a fair analysis of one event which not all boomers participated in for reasons I mentioned. I do want to be fair to them especially those of my mother's cohort who were just kids. It would be silly to blame them for that and they are boomers too. The later boomers have been far worse off than earlier boomers financially I also have to address. They also struggle being on the arse end of a large and demanding generation.

That one event was a symptom of something far more pervasive which is why I said it was a metaphor for the Boomer generation. Even now they believe that people and societies can be reshaped arbitrarily which accounts for how destructive the US has become.  First, there are the wars in the Middle East which is an attempt to reshape that part of the world into what the US government desires, both the left and right are guilty of this.  Second, there is this very phony economy caused by acting as if the usual economic rules don't apply.  Again, political orientation really didn't matter because the attitude was still there.  It didn't end well in the seventies and it won't end well now.

I had step-brothers and step-sisters who were part of that later Boomer cohort.  One of them died at the age of seventeen from this sort of crap.  Its odd how the later Boomers are ill-equipped to deal with things as they are because they keep assuming the old rules they were taught still apply.
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(09-19-2016, 12:57 PM)Galen Wrote: Not necessarily, I have to deal with them in the workplace.  There are a surprising number of them that simply don't know what they are doing and refuse to learn.

That's true with every generation, there are tons of Xers and Boomers out there who refuse to learn things.
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(09-20-2016, 01:15 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: The other half are ear budded/texting slackers.

Uh, you know you Xers were the original "lazy slackers", right? Tongue
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Boomers were like a kid that was raised in an overly strict environment who then go on a massive orgy of fun and partying when they finally got free of that restrictive parental environment. Despite what Galen thinks the vast, vast majority of Boomers matured out of that phase fairly quickly. My dad is a good example, he was an absolute hell-raiser in his 20s and then matured out of it by the time the 3T started and became a rather restrained blue collar guy who rarely partied and rarely even drank. I didn't even know he used to be a regular pot smoker in his 20s until very recently.
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(09-20-2016, 02:41 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 01:51 AM)taramarie Wrote: I only bring it up when he starts on his cultural superiority crusade. The bully hates karma.

Now you know one of the main reasons the seventies was a decade I would have just as soon done without.  You think they are bad now you should have seen them in their prime.  What a freak show that was.
Weren't the Seventies dominated by the Silents?
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(09-20-2016, 10:47 AM)The Wonkette Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 02:41 AM)Galen Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 01:51 AM)taramarie Wrote: I only bring it up when he starts on his cultural superiority crusade. The bully hates karma.

Now you know one of the main reasons the seventies was a decade I would have just as soon done without.  You think they are bad now you should have seen them in their prime.  What a freak show that was.
Weren't the Seventies dominated by the Silents?

Not really.  On the whole they tended to be non-entities that took the easy path which usually involved doing what the Boomers wanted given the demographics.  Silents tended to be obsessed with process.
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(09-20-2016, 10:47 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: Weren't the Seventies dominated by the Silents?

Yes they were, in so far as the people in middle age dominate a turning.

What will be interesting to see is whether the millennials will be able to keep such emotional stability as they have, during the pressures of the Survivor game, or whether they will crack up while Gen X is more steady and enduring. Which generation will be more manipulative? Will the millennials use their cleverness to be manipulative, like she here who shall not be named, or will their geeky intelligence and teamwork serve them well against the Gen X tendency to think of only their own survival? Will Gen X practical survival skills enable them to gain the respect of their tribe and win challenges more often than millennials? Which tribe will quarrel more with each other? Will it be Gen X, as we might expect? Will Millennials demonstrate their teamwork skills, or their emotional instability and sense of entitlement?

Members of both generations have won the game before now, as have Boomers. So pitting these two generations against each other should be interesting to see how this brings out the strengths and weaknesses of both generations, and whether these jive with our S&H-based picture of them and our own experiences of them.
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#30
(09-20-2016, 01:18 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(09-19-2016, 01:04 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(09-18-2016, 11:36 PM)Galen Wrote: Truth is, they were saying much worse things about Generation X and in the case of Eric the Obtuse and those like him they still are. 

Only when deserved. Like all generations, Xers have their good and bad points, in my opinion. Generalizing about generations "always" has its pitfalls. But I would not say that half of Gen Xers are "deplorables."

I'm not a deplorable, but I am (a) quite cynical and pecuniary man. Cool Big Grin Tongue

Yes, typical Gen Xer. Will you be on the Survivor show? Maybe you could be what they call a "villain" like Russell Hantz. Then again, maybe Galen would play the role better.
http://www.therichest.com/expensive-life...-villains/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Hantz

Although some (probably Gen Xers) admire him as one of the greatest players, I am among those (probably Boomers or Millennials) who generally despise him and everything about him. But, it's all part of the game; it brings out the best and worst in the players.

Quote:Some Boomers like Hillary and Trump are clueless clowns.

Yes, Trump is; Bush II was; Bill was not, in most respects; and Hillary is not. In time, that will likely be demonstrated.
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Rags Wrote:I'm not a deplorable, but I am (a) quite cynical and pecuniary man. Cool Big Grin Tongue


Eric The Green Wrote:Yes, typical Gen Xer. Will you be on the Survivor show? Maybe you could be what they call a "villain" like Russell Hantz. Then again, maybe Galen would play the role better.

http://www.therichest.com/expensive-life...-villains/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Hantz

Nope, I got: http://survivor.wikia.com/wiki/Tina_Wesson
http://www.buddytv.com/personalityquiz/s...iz=1000037

I'm not a "she" of course.

Eric The Green Wrote:Although some (probably Gen Xers) admire him as one of the greatest players, I am among those (probably Boomers or Millennials) who generally despise him and everything about him. But, it's all part of the game; it brings out the best and worst in the players.


Quote:Some Boomers like Hillary and Trump are clueless clowns.


Eric The Green Wrote:Yes, Trump is; Bush II was; Bill was not, in most respects; and Hillary is not. In time, that will likely be demonstrated.

Uh, Bill is the one who helped to get rid of Glass Steagal and did the "end welfare as we know" it thing. Hillery can't help herself in looking crooked. I mean, really, why did the DNC do everything to throw the election? Those hot emails are another thing. The stuff goes way back to the 1970's.
Shrub, no doubt clueless.
Trump, also no doubt. Mr. weather vane, probably armed and dangerous. Big Grin

In short, a pox on both parties. The US has totally gone to the dogs. It's really run by the Deep State and multinats, so I'm not even sure if elections even matter any more.
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(09-20-2016, 05:11 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: How does a thread start out on the topic of Survivor and end up in a debate about Woodstock?

Easy, man.  Where there are Boomers, you'll find Woodstock. Cool
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(09-20-2016, 07:02 AM)Odin Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 01:15 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: The other half are ear budded/texting slackers.

Uh, you know you Xers were the original "lazy slackers", right? Tongue

True enough.  However, we were aware of our surroundings due to the lack of the digital distractions of Ipads/cell phones. Tongue
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(09-20-2016, 08:22 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 08:06 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 07:02 AM)Odin Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 01:15 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: The other half are ear budded/texting slackers.

Uh, you know you Xers were the original "lazy slackers", right? Tongue

True enough.  However, we were aware of our surroundings due to the lack of the digital distractions of Ipads/cell phones. Tongue

I hit computer addiction in my 20s, web addiction in my 30s. Not the same as hitting it in childhood but still pretty early in life.

Same here, but I couldn't take my Atari 2600/ PC to work though.
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(09-20-2016, 05:11 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: How does a thread start out on the topic of Survivor and end up in a debate about Woodstock?

Because boomer bashing begins with woodstock. Of course when that begins i have to look at it from all angles.
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(09-20-2016, 07:16 AM)Odin Wrote: Boomers were like a kid that was raised in an overly strict environment who then go on a massive orgy of fun and partying when they finally got free of that restrictive parental environment. Despite what Galen thinks the vast, vast majority of Boomers matured out of that phase fairly quickly. My dad is a good example, he was an absolute hell-raiser in his 20s and then matured out of it by the time the 3T started and became a rather restrained blue collar guy who rarely partied and rarely even drank. I didn't even know he used to be a regular pot smoker in his 20s until very recently.

This is why I pointed out that they matured. We all do silly things when we are younger. Heck some still do stupid things when older. I do not think bringing up the boomers past is productive to fixing the future ad I will not judge them for having what looked like a great time. Heck I mean I am jealous in fact. Here I have been, boring millennial that I am studying my arse off and some of them looked like they were having a whale of a time. Life is too short and they lived it up. Good on them. I do not agree to how some took their kids there while getting high etc and not picking up their litter. But other than that I see nothing wrong. Are people to have no fun at all? I do understand the "damn the consequences" point he was making. But that was not the boomers that started that. Heck they did not even start the divorce epidemic. Silents started that. I see that it yes has a negative impact financially for a family but it is not positive to have a family together that is emotionally torn apart and fights constantly. Some may be extremely abusive and if you have children in the mix, well that certainly will mess up the future generation.
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(09-20-2016, 12:27 PM)Galen Wrote: Not really.  On the whole they tended to be non-entities that took the easy path which usually involved doing what the Boomers wanted given the demographics.  Silents tended to be obsessed with process.

Your commitment to rationalizing your Boomer-hating fantasies with nonsensical statements like this on trivializing the Silents and their role in the 2T is sad.
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(09-20-2016, 05:11 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: How does a thread start out on the topic of Survivor and end up in a debate about Woodstock?

it got hijacked by the usual Gen-Xers who never miss an opportunity to shit on Boomers.
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(09-20-2016, 08:06 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 07:02 AM)Odin Wrote:
(09-20-2016, 01:15 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: The other half are ear budded/texting slackers.

Uh, you know you Xers were the original "lazy slackers", right? Tongue

True enough.  However, we were aware of our surroundings due to the lack of the digital distractions of Ipads/cell phones. Tongue

That's an important advantage for Xers. They have "sharp eyes" according to S&H. In Survivor you can't be texting or referring to your I-pads; you have to deal with what's around you.
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(09-20-2016, 08:01 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
Rags Wrote:I'm not a deplorable, but I am (a) quite cynical and pecuniary man. Cool Big Grin Tongue


Eric The Green Wrote:Yes, typical Gen Xer. Will you be on the Survivor show? Maybe you could be what they call a "villain" like Russell Hantz. Then again, maybe Galen would play the role better.

http://www.therichest.com/expensive-life...-villains/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Hantz

Nope, I got: http://survivor.wikia.com/wiki/Tina_Wesson
http://www.buddytv.com/personalityquiz/s...iz=1000037

I'm not a "she" of course.

The quiz might be unreliable. It was hard to fit into the four choices many times. Your self-description was more like Russell than Tina, but you might be more like Tina. You'd never know unless you played. But Tina was very respected and quite honest; not "cynical or pecuniary." That would be Russell; he was and is those things on steroids. He's a creepy Texas oil man. Very typical of the worst Xer traits, including in the way he looks and talks.

I got Stephanie LaGrossa. I don't remember her.
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Eric The Green Wrote:Although some (probably Gen Xers) admire him as one of the greatest players, I am among those (probably Boomers or Millennials) who generally despise him and everything about him. But, it's all part of the game; it brings out the best and worst in the players.


Quote:Some Boomers like Hillary and Trump are clueless clowns.


Eric The Green Wrote:Yes, Trump is; Bush II was; Bill was not, in most respects; and Hillary is not. In time, that will likely be demonstrated.

Uh, Bill is the one who helped to get rid of Glass Steagal and did the "end welfare as we know" it thing. Hillery can't help herself in looking crooked. I mean, really, why did the DNC do everything to throw the election? Those hot emails are another thing. The stuff goes way back to the 1970's.
Shrub, no doubt clueless.
Trump, also no doubt. Mr. weather vane, probably armed and dangerous. Big Grin

There has never been a president who has not made wrong decisions. That is nothing new. A president who makes mistakes on the level of Bill Clinton is the norm, not the exception. He also did a lot of things right; that has been reviewed before here. It's up to you and others to pay attention.

There are no hot emails; there was no thrown election. All that is Republican (and leftist) flim-flam.

Quote:In short, a pox on both parties. The US has totally gone to the dogs. It's really run by the Deep State and multinats, so I'm not even sure if elections even matter any more.

Both parties are infected with a lot of pox; one far more than the other, however. Of course you know my opinion Smile Elections matter; the people make the choice, even if powerful media and multinats can lobby and advertise more than the people can. It's still up to the people to get informed and vote intelligently. If we don't, or stay home and fume, that is OUR fault, and no-one else's. If we don't stay active all year around, and let our leaders off the hook, that is OUR fault. We the people put stupid, corrupt Republicans in congress in 2010 and 2014. No-one but US did that evil deed. We the people voted twice for the shrub. That is our responsibility. Even if there was cheating in 2000, George got enough votes to make it close enough to cheat it. "We're the slaves of the phony leaders," as Pete Townshend said. It's up to us not to be fooled again and again and again.
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