Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-11-2016, 04:54 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(11-11-2016, 04:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-11-2016, 02:03 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(11-11-2016, 06:52 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(11-10-2016, 05:47 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm not fighting with Bob. I pointed out to Bob where his partisan views of me were way off again. I associate Bob with a party that regularly engages, encourages, supports and allows the use of anti-white sentiment. The Democrats aren't very smart people. Smart people don't do or allow stupid shit that creates a bigger issue for themselves. Are Democrats capable of pulling their heads out of their asses and using them as intended. We'll see.

I don't see myself as anti-white.  I am white.  I associate with whites.  Remember how during the election Trump pointed out a black guy at one of his rallies?  I can't do this at the moment.  I'm somewhat reclusive, have a small number of close friends and social groups...  Oh.  Wait.  One of the gamers in my Pathfinder RPG circle is black!  I guess I'm at least as integrated as Trump.  I can point at a black person too!  I guess I forgot as her skin pigmentation just doesn't matter to the group at all.  Not a whit.

But I'm not anti-white.  I'm anti-bigot.  It seems to me that many among the Trump deplorables have difficulty distinguishing between the two.  I favor equality, civility, mutual respect, and much else mentioned among Jefferson's self evident truths.  These are core values.  As is typical of humans, I get intense and emotional about defending and advocating my core values.

It is quite possible to dislike racists without disliking whites.  Deplorables might not be able to see this.  Some are so obsessed with the black-white conflict that it becomes us or them at a primal level.

Anyway, in many respects, don't expect Democrats to always be logical and rational.  They have core values that aren't going to shift.  They see the world from a different angle.  They do not see striving for equality, harmony and inclusiveness as stupid.  They are more apt to see it as virtue.  This in the short turn my lead to conflict, but sometimes conflict is appropriate or necessary.

This conflicts unfortunately. They will not listen if you call them names. They do not see it as respectful, civil and showing mutual respect. It is not the right way of going about the issue and it does not show to them you stand by your word that you are civil and show respect. I put a list up here of ways that you can though.

OK, I might have misremembered, but wasn't it Civic who claimed the title 'deplorable' is considered a title of pride among certain groups of people?  Also, 'deplorable' is becoming a code word for 'racist', those who believe white male protestants have a superior place in the world and should be able to harass and insult without hindrance from those promoting political correctness.  Is there a proper politically correct yet descriptive word or phrase for such people that isn't insulting?  Should there be such a word or phrase?  Could you suggest such a word or phrase?

Not all Republicans belong to this class.  One can advocate supply side economics without advocating insulting abusive prejudicial behavior and vice versa.  I disagree with both, but I disagree with supply side in an intellectual way, while the other is a more emotional values driven thing.

I could not say to be honest. I do not follow all threads here. My opinion is the name should not be a title for any sort of pride. It is yet another wedge to divide society. I distrust negative labels because of the fact they are ineffective in their approach to change people to your liking. No I do not think there should be any word or phrase or label for those who are like that. I want to hear these people out rather and see where they got their ideas from. Labeling them does not help. Not listening to them and shutting them down does not help. Mixing them with a massive group such as the republicans CERTAINLY does not help and has caused so much hurt and anger and division. When will we wake up stop the self destruction?

I can sympathize heavily with what you say.

I note that after Trump called Hillary a 'nasty women', a good number of blue leaning ladies embraced the label with pride, buying and using 'nasty woman' T shirts and coffee mugs.  Like it or not, this is a reflection of where we are as a country just now.  Too often the other guy's insults have enough truth behind them to be embraced.

I am also bemused by a perceived need to be politically correct to the enemies of political correctness.  Treating each other with respect is definitely a good goal and those who favor respect should take the lead.  The other guys certainly won't.

Still, the people who are against treating people with respect can't be left unopposed.  When black churches are being burned and spray painted with 'vote Trump', the blue response can't be entirely polite.  You have to talk about the problem clearly and bluntly.

I used 'deplorable' while traditionally in the past I have used 'racist' or 'bigot'.  Gut feel, 'deplorable' seems the gentler word.  Again, I'm open to alternatives.  Silence, though, isn't a valid alternative.