Presidential election, 2016

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(11-24-2016, 12:29 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-23-2016, 01:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-23-2016, 02:08 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-22-2016, 03:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-16-2016, 07:32 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Trickle-in electionomics:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...rue#gid=19

Hillary leads Trump by about 1,200,000 and still counting.

Now her lead is over 1,700,000, and projected by google to be 2,400,000

Who cares, she already lost the most important election during my adult life.

Donald J Trump is the president-elect. Your guns are safe, and money still rules the life of politicians in office.

However, Trump did not get a mandate. And no-one can say that Hillary Rodham Clinton lost the election when she got 2 and half million more votes than Trump.

The Republican hold on the Bible Belt and (for now) the Rust Belt gives them the power, in congress, the statehouses, and potentially the electoral vote (but not the popular vote). Unless younger generations can shake off the fundamentalist memes (both religious and economic-free market fundamentalism), and unless the Rust Belt states return to the blue fold completely, then I predict a national break-up (or at least a looser confederation) may be the only way to bust through this fundamentalist power bloc, perhaps even if only temporarily for a few years so that the constitution can (possibly) be redone to get rid of the advantage which red states have in the electoral college and the Senate, as the price of reunifying the country.

Right now, some younger people are escaping the Bible/Rust Belt by moving to California and other blue states, while some conservative whites have moved out due to the increasing diversity and cost of living there. But this has concentrated the vote of up-to-date and/or diverse people in the states with fewer electoral votes.

More of CA is in, and the margin has now passed 2 million. The percentages in CA are widening too.

So she won the popular vote by a few million Californian's, good for her. She's fortunate that people like you didn't cling their values and voted for her instead Jill Stein or she would've lost the popular vote too.  

I'm not going to fight to keep California as part of the United States. To me, California wouldn't be worth the sacrifice. America would get the bulk of its business's and the bulk of the productive workforce and the bulk it's more law abiding and more productive citizens and the bulk of it's agricultural exports that we're used to seeing as well regardless of whether it stays or goes. In my opinion, America needs a blue dumping ground. An alternate world for those who don't want to do shit for a living and uppity fools who feel they're obligated to support them, educated dim wits who ignore major issues relating to the working class who care more about establishing a new precedence and relatively dumb (uneducated) immigrants who are used to working for pennies to flood to by the millions instead of the United States.  

Right now, there's a decent black guy and his family living in my parents house. I'm cool with it and I have no issues with him as a person. Hell, I place more value on him than I place on someone like you. I know that goes against the blue narrative used here. But then again, the blue narrative isn't interested in what's actually going on, what it's actually about or what it actually means and so forth. The blue narrative is only interested in what it seeks to obtain or gain for itself. OK. We know what we've got, we've got two blue regions fixated on itself politically with a blue city located in between them. Minnesota may not stay blue for very long with my age group coming into power and becoming more vocal and more active politically. We could begin to move to separate from the blue cities which would isolate the cities and force the cities to become wiser and less reliant upon the state.

You will find that when California rejects a fascist America, then so will New England, New York, the Middle Atlantic States, Washington, Oregon, and Hawaii. You will see splintering within the states, with Greater Philadelphia rejecting the fascistic parts of Pennsylvania. You will see secession movements within even such "red" states as Texas, Georgia, Missouri, and Arizona, let alone such "purple" states as North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin.

It may be hard for white racists to accept, but the non-white, non-Christian, and non-Anglo segments of the American middle class voted resolutely for the democratic tradition in America. The 'Real America' that Sarah Palin praised in 2008 only to seem a sick joke has returned, but without the respect for the rights of those who lost the election.

Donald Trump and the Republican majority have effectively said "We won, and you're done" to the losing side in this one election. That is not democracy. That is one sure way for democracy to die.

For democracy to have any meaningful presence in America, America needs both conservative moderates (the Republican Party has purged itself of them) and liberal moderates (the Republican majority can make them irrelevant). So what is left? Extremism in power and extremism in opposition. Watch America revert to the Gilded Age, and many people who have been liberals will  find Karl Marx relevant as he has never been in America.

As for the "decent black guy" -- many Germans knew one Jewish exception to the Nazi caricature of the Jewish demon, one exception and family that he believed that he could protect. Those exceptions still were separated from any possible protection and shipped off to their collective doom. I'm not saying that things will get that bad for any minority. But they will be bad.

And what will white people like you get in the upcoming White Power government? If you love the outdoors, then you will see a ravaged environment. Maybe your favorite fishing hole will be contaminated with lead, mercury, dioxin, and hexavalent chromium. Your children's civics classes will be reduced to propaganda for special interest groups, and the rest of education after the rudiments of readin' and 'ritin', and 'rithmetic will be nothing more than training for some allotted role and propaganda for the regime. If the government decides that your daughter's future because she isn't connected intimately enough to the political and economic elites is to be a domestic servant and not perhaps an engineer, then she gets to be a domestic servant. Oh, you don't have to be black to be treated like a n---er? That's how it goes. You will find that instead of Social Security you will have to invest savings into some financial rip-off that gives a negative return because of the overhead of bureaucratic parasites connected to rapacious owners. You will find that after you retire Medicare will no longer await you, but instead that you will either have to sell off your house to buy health insurance or take the risk of a premature meeting with the Grim Reaper. You will find that government enforces the will of shysters who have real power in the political system. Your vote will be as meaningless as it was in the Apartheid-era South Africa. You will also find that your conscience will have to defer to power if you do not want to end up in some labor camp in the High Plains.

In most of America we liberals have nothing left but local politics (in medium-to-large cities) and the right to protest. We will have plenty to protest. Environment? Liberal birders and conservative sportsmen need to unite. Given a choice between aligning with people of color and conscience or white people without conscience, I will go with conscience. We can re-learn the techniques of the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s; we will need to apply them as Donald Trump and his allies try to set race relations back fifty years.

Martin Luther King meets the Spirit of '76? What a concept! That is the foundation of a new and better America. We do that ourselves, or we risk tyranny far worse than what Americans rebelled against in 1776.