Presidential election, 2016

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(12-01-2016, 08:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is too hard to change the rules. That is obvious. What we need to realize now is that the results of these rules are illegitimate and do not confer any mandate. Hillary Clinton is our rightful CIC.




The 2 final choices were yucky. We got Mr. cyanide instead of MS. arsenic.  I've gone into the I don't give a fuck anymore mode.

Quote:As much as I agree that we need more than a two-party monopoly, blaming it for the debacle of a Trump presidency is the wrong approach. No, it is not true that the DNC smothered Sanders, although it's true they voiced their desire to that effect. That is not the same as doing it

They did smother it. You have to get outside of the lamestream media bubble to find the info though.  The fact is I don't give a rat's ass who hacked what or how the info got leaked. I'm only concerned with the contents of the info itself.

Quote:. What is wrong is to assume that because Sanders didn't win, it's OK to ignore the fact that Trump has no mandate for the incredible destruction he is wreaking. The best thing to do was to vote for Hillary, but arguing over that or bringing up the problem with Democrats is beside the point.

Sanders may or may not have won, that's true. However, the fact the DNC shot itself in it's ass matters. Corruption is corruption, period. The fact is the DNC should have behaved itself so as not to delegitimatize itself.

Quote: The point is that we have a president who was not chosen by the people, but by some plantation owners in 1789. And we should never let anyone forget this.

The deed is done. I've moved on.

Quote:We haven't done that yet, no. Apparently we have not done the job of realizing that Trump does not have a mandate, and that the people didn't vote for him.

I'm not sure where that line of thinking would take the US.

Quote:In a country of over 300 million, 100,000 people chose our "president." This is what happens in a banana republic; not to mention that this country is already owned by .1% of the people; not to mention that those 100,000 people chose a "president" who will try to create even-more of a banana republic here in the GOU. (good old USA).

Rags Wrote:I certainly agree we're a Banana Republic and have been for a long time. Take a pinch of Citizen's united, mix in party gerrymandering, vote buyoffs with stuff like the F-35 program, and all those $10,000/plate dipshits that buy off Congress and that's the Banana Republic.

Quote:And what 100,000 people did on Nov.8 is making this 1000 times worse, instead of fixing it as Sanders OR Clinton would have done.

That gets back to what the rules are for that campaign.

Rags Wrote:No. I don't want California laws like soda taxes. I think those sorts of laws are patronizing. Grown adults should feel free to drink sugar saturated stuff because everyone knows they make you fat. It's like my snus production at home. I know that snus has close to zilch carcinogens with double the nicotine.  I have a right to do nicotine without getting badgered by PC nicotine nazis. I don't get a shit about the origin of the thing, I just know it balances the output of Presidential elections between big California and little Oklahoma a tad, which is a good thing.

Quote:You are concerned about soda taxes, when people are going to be thrown off all health insurance, when the oligarchy is going to be in charge of all commerce, when environmental laws are going the way of the dodo bird, Citizens United being upheld by Trump judges indefinitely, the 1% oligarchy, military boondoggles, indefinite gerrymandering, and on and on? You've got to be kidding! We've got to focus.

Quote: And I don't see Oklahoma legalizing MJ, and I don't think you're likely to.

We almost had a ballot measure. I'm sure we'll get it on the 2018 ballot. The demographics favor that. Even Arkansas legalized medical MJ.  Oklahoma did go the right way in decriminalization of petty crimes like possession.  The Republicans did that 'cause if we keep on this lock 'em up and toss the key, then the prison budget puts the tax cuts at risk.  There's nothing like an exploding expense to get folks' attention, man.   MJ will get legalized in due time because it's a revenue source that isn't a "new tax". Da Republicans dug a really big hole here you know.

Quote:I'm glad to live in CA, where at least I know I'm free. Hey, that's a song ain't it?

You're not a Millie. Millies and Rags can't afford to live in CA due to too high of house prices. Eric probably got his house before real estate got weirded out. I wouldn't be free 'cause I'd have to pay lots of property tax rent. [Unless I moved to Needles. ]  House prices there are OK, but the climate isn't. I'd prefer something opposite of Needles, a place folks don't like because it's cold and snowy. Dunno if there's cheap houses in the Sierra Nevada area in some dinky town there.

Quote:And I don't know if SF and Oakland passed those soda taxes, despite all the ads against doing it, but if not I don't know if there are any such laws anywhere in CA, except maybe Berkeley, and you don't have to live in Berkeley.

Dunno either. Just knew those silly things were on the budget.

Quote:Don't fool yourself by consoling yourself that at least in Trumpland you don't have to pay ciggie taxes.

That gets to an older problem. Why didn't team D engage X'ers in the 1980's?  Team R did which is why team R has a lot of bench strength at the state and local level.  It's sort of what labor unions did with those 2 tier wage schedules. Older members got the raises while GenX got the shaft.  GenX then just blew off the labor unions as useless. Yes, bad decisions go back a long way and come back to bite you.