12-02-2016, 01:13 AM
Eric The Green Wrote:The choice was between cyanide and apple juice. We got the poison. That's reason to give a fuck. The nonsense about Hillary wouldn't matter, unless it's your excuse to not give a fuck about where we are now; in deeper doodoo than we've ever been.
Since there's not a damn thing I can do about it, why should I stress out on that issue? Trump for better or worse is the President elect.
Eric Wrote:Same old stuff; I've seen it a dozen times. It made not different to the outcome at all. Hillary got the votes.
So, I'm supposed to support corruption in the DNC. The fact is, the DNC needs a reboot and stress "It's the Economy, Stupid", instead it's current culture wars crap. Look, I voted D down ticket and did nothing for POTUS.
Quote:Woulds shoulda coulda. Yes the DNC and Hillary waged an inadequate campaign. What's new about that for Democrats?
Maybe they can get it right for 2018. Be explicit about opposing NAFTA, TPP, reigning in all of their Silicon Valley bogus H1-B allotments, and get bold about debt free money. Debt accumulation isn't sustainable, but debt free money is , as long as interest rates are free to float. Interest rates need to float since they signal inflation is getting out control. They could also have specific conversion to CO2 free energy sources. That means they're being timid and not boldly countering tinkle down economics.
Quote:You can't move on. The deed has crippled the country and endangered the world.
Why not? I can't fix the mess. I can't make the DNC chuck the superdelegates. I can't make Trump's weird administration just go poof.
Quote:It's quite easy to know that. If Trump doesn't have a mandate, and everyone knows it because he lost the popular vote so badly, then he has less support for his programs, which are horrible, and so are the dufuses he's choosing to carry out his policies and advise him.
See above. I'm not magic.
Quote:No, not even for a moment. That's exactly where you need to move on from. You need to focus on what counts. A few emails do not contradict that fact that we have lost the chance to carry out any helpful policy for what will be a total of ten years by 2020, and have unleashed a madman and his cronies upon the USA and the world to give us nothing but trouble and a rapid train to a banana republic. And we should have been doing something about that trend. Instead we have a leader who want's to make it permanent and irreversible. That's what it gets "back to."
Oh, so I'm supposed to attend local Democratic Party meetings and show 'em shat a bright boy I am! I know zippo on how to pull that off and I'm such a bore, IRL.
Eric Wrote:You are dreaming. Only a few blue states have ever done anything about this issue. Red states are dominated by religious and economic ideology. Demographics have made no difference at all in Oklahoma voting patterns. They still vote for the worst right-wing assholes, including the guy at the top of the ticket.
You are wrong. Arkansas just passed medical marijuana. That also should jolt Oklahoma. Arkansas and Oklahoma have a long eastern border. Lots of money's gonna be going to Arkansas. That's an addon to Colorado on the other side. Oklahomans are going to making lots of trips from Tulsa to Arkansas. Tulsa's close to that border.
Quote:[url]Rags Wrote:You're not a Millie. Millies and Rags can't afford to live in CA due to too high of house prices. Eric probably got his house before real estate got weirded out. I wouldn't be free 'cause I'd have to pay lots of property tax rent. [Unless I moved to Needles. ] House prices there are OK, but the climate isn't. I'd prefer something opposite of Needles, a place folks don't like because it's cold and snowy. Dunno if there's cheap houses in the Sierra Nevada area in some dinky town there.
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Eric Wrote:Probably there is. They would be the red counties within blue CA. This isn't an issue about where you live though. It's an issue of coming to grips with the "American Amnesia," as a writer portrayed on PBS tonight said. Without a move back toward government involvement in the economy, our national decline will accelerate.[url]
I've written lots of stuff that assorted governments can do and also what they should stop doing.
I'm OK with debt free money to be used for infrastructure/green conversion. The FED of course is not needed with that schema. The US treasury prints the money and the Federal government spends it or disburses it to lower governments or individuals as SS checks or even the Medicare starts at zero. You see there's too many parasitic entities that make disbursements inefficient. States can spend infrastructure on making something like a real passenger rail system. Also, I see no need for employer based health insurance rackets. Now that is something that's obsolete. I just wonder how much all of those private insurance premiums add up to and just how nice it would be if I didn't have to mess with them. Also, why is the US not bidding out drug prices/allowing imports from Canada/Mexico? That's stupid as it's a defacto subsidy to Big Pharma. Finally, why does everyone in DC tolerate that F-35 boondoggle? Now, I haven't heard the Democrats talk about that sort of stuff. [I know the Republicans won't ever, ever do it because it pisses in the chearios of a bunch of special interest groups. So there's your government involvement, but I haven't heard that sort of stuff from anyone.
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Quote:The priorities are not soda taxes. The priorities are the larger issues of what kind of country we live in. Republicans = the oligarchy. To confuse the issue by saying the Democrats are just as bad and rig elections, misses this larger issue. The Democrats understand how to get our country back on track. Republicans want to speed up our decline. Worrying about soda taxes means you miss the train.[url]
I think soda taxes are a mentality of liberal "I know best about bad foodiest". The conservative "I know best variant" is "I know best about vaginas, substances you can put into your body, moonshine, and tobaccy." Moonshine should be legalized since most of it is made in the South. That's a hypocrisy that I admit is annoying. Even Russia has it where moonshine is legal to make as long as it's not sold. Back to the rigging thing. I bet the lamestream media would go apeshit if the Republicans did rigging. Btw, Obama supported the TPP, so the red/blue , R/D dichotomy doesn't hold for everything. Also, if the rigging didn't get exposed, I'm supposed to accept the fact that the DNC plays favorites and has a bunch of unelected party hacks as super delegates. That's not democratic and most tacky. You were complaining about the electoral college as unfair, but super delegates are pretty much the same thing.
It doesn't matter; they were not passed by any state authority. CA does not have soda taxes, and there's no imminent prospect for such. I'm in CA, I would have heard about it. NO, it was a ballot measure in a few cities.
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Quote:And that decision by Gen X was the bad decision.[url]
No, Older Xer's went to Carter.
That means the Democrats could have engaged older Xer's, but didn't.
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Quote: Yes, too many unions and Democrats in the 1980s fell for the Reagan propaganda that people didn't deserve a living wage; that they should yield to the boss's interests because the benefits would trickle down. Talk about not moving on; this speculation gets us nowhere. It doesn't matter what generation you are in. The problem is that unions went away, and R's have the back bench because the people fell for Republican propaganda. Trickle-down doesn't trickle. So the Gen Xers vote Republican because things failed because of their own decision![url]
Yeah, by 1984, things started looking bad for Democrates...
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-...oted-1984/
Looks like most age groups went for Reagan. Such is a 3T attitude. Let there be no rules.
But , then GWB ran in 2000 and the voting changed again.
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-...oted-2000/
Obama: Same thing.
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-...oted-2008/
So, GenX doesn't really lean R. There was a lot of time for the Democrats to do something, but didn't. Nobody can blame R votes on GenX after all. It's all a myth.
Just because the Xer's here like Republicans by no means is a sufficient sample size to grok the actual historical data.
So again, we have what we have now due to the lack of foresight on the part of the Democratic Party. The RNC did have campus outreach while I was in college, but nada from the DNC. The DNC just , well stepped on its dick.
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