12-02-2016, 05:49 PM
Rags Wrote:Ragnarök_62
So, I'm supposed to support corruption in the DNC. The fact is, the DNC needs a reboot and stress "It's the Economy, Stupid", instead it's current culture wars crap. Look, I voted D down ticket and did nothing for POTUS.
Eric The Green
You're not getting the point. This is not about how YOU voted, or what the Democrats didn't do to defeat the indefeatable, charming actor with a 20-6 horoscope score 36 years ago. This is about listening to what the voters said [i Wrote:now[/i]. The voters said we don't want President Pussygrabber, and we got him anyway.
It's the point since my one vote is the only thing I can control when it comes to elections. Like from tiny raindrops flow to mighty rivers flow sort of stuff.
Quote:Maybe they can get it right for 2018. Be explicit about opposing NAFTA, TPP, reigning in all of their Silicon Valley bogus H1-B allotments, and get bold about debt free money. Debt accumulation isn't sustainable, but debt free money is , as long as interest rates are free to float. Interest rates need to float since they signal inflation is getting out control. They could also have specific conversion to CO2 free energy sources. That means they're being timid and not boldly countering tinkle down economics.
I'm not sure about that. If the Dems get back to the garden and off the SJW pontificating I bet they'll do better.
Quote:We and you are stuck with Drumpf the Grump for 8 years, pal. There's nothing you or I or anyone can do now to enact these policies, except organize to defeat the Drumpfsters in future elections.
The future guarantees nothing...
Quote:Why not? I can't fix the mess. I can't make the DNC chuck the superdelegates. I can't make Trump's weird administration just go poof.
Quote:You can't move on from this. We are stuck with this for at least 6 years. The superdelegates is another red herring. They favored Hillary in 2008 too; didn't you know that? If Sanders had won the popular vote, half of them would have switched to him, just like they did to Obama. As long as you don't recognize the message sent by the voters in the popular vote, there is no moving on.
I think the message, considering the rust belt was "it's the economy stupid".
Rags Wrote:Oh, so I'm supposed to attend local Democratic Party meetings and show 'em what a bright boy I am! I know zippo on how to pull that off and I'm such a bore, IRL.
Quote:I'm not sure exactly what to do either. We'll have to play it by ear for now. But we need to organize.
How about the DNC cleaning up their act first. Like who is it here on the message board who's complaining about democratic principles? Superdelegates are the opposite of democratic principles. A bunch of party hacks is so 1930's.
Rags Wrote:You are wrong. Arkansas just passed medical marijuana. That also should jolt Oklahoma. Arkansas and Oklahoma have a long eastern border. Lots of money's gonna be going to Arkansas. That's an addon to Colorado on the other side. Oklahomans are going to making lots of trips from Tulsa to Arkansas. Tulsa's close to that border.
I guess someone COULD say you know zippo, when you continue posting stuff like that. I don't think you have an excuse, myself. You know a lot about economics. But there is no such law passed in Arkansas.
https://ballotpedia.org/Arkansas_Medical...e_7_(2016)
[/quot Wrote:Wrong again.
http://blog.norml.org/2016/11/09/arkansa...marijuana/ Issue 6 is what passed and that's what matters. Arkansas is a neighboring state, so I have to know what's going down there. It's like Colorado, another neighboring state. I have some hopes that Texas will be next and that should be the tipping point. Once Texas joins the enlightened set of states wrt weed, then so much of Oklahoma's border mileage will have weed available that enforcement collapses. I'm not holding my breath for Kansas though.
Quote:The Arkansas Medical Cannabis Act, also known as Issue 7, was not on the November 8, 2016, ballot in Arkansas as an initiated state statute. The Arkansas Supreme Court struck Issue 7 from the ballot in Benca v. Martin on October 27, 2016, on the basis of invalid signatures.[1] The measure appeared on the ballot, but results were not counted.
It's issue 6, like I mentioned above. I'll be sure to sign on to [url="http://kgou.org/post/oklahomas-pot-proponents-gearing-2018-medical-marijuana-vote] this [/url] though.
[quote='Eric']
Why indeed; why indeed. Remember all this when we have a small chance of implementing some of it after 2022.
Yeah, I have no idea why the Democrats can't do at least some of this stuff.
Quote:Rags Wrote:I think soda taxes are a mentality of liberal "I know best about bad foodiest". The conservative "I know best variant" is "I know best about vaginas, substances you can put into your body, moonshine, and tobaccy." Moonshine should be legalized since most of it is made in the South. That's a hypocrisy that I admit is annoying. Even Russia has it where moonshine is legal to make as long as it's not sold. Back to the rigging thing. I bet the lamestream media would go apeshit if the Republicans did rigging. Btw, Obama supported the TPP, so the red/blue , R/D dichotomy doesn't hold for everything. Also, if the rigging didn't get exposed, I'm supposed to accept the fact that the DNC plays favorites and has a bunch of unelected party hacks as super delegates. That's not democratic and most tacky. You were complaining about the electoral college as unfair, but super delegates are pretty much the same thing.
Eric Wrote:One thing I have confidence you CAN do if you try. Get those irrelevant red herrings out of the way, and focus on the real ideas such as you wrote in the paragraph above this one.
What Red Herrings?
Quote:No, Older Xer's went to Carter.
That means the Democrats could have engaged older Xer's, but didn't.
Quote:Not according to stats I know about, and posted here before. Those older Xers were the most conservative generation among any of them, and the Jones people have been the most reliable GOP base most of the time ever since. You helped make your own bed.
Sources please. I showed my sources.
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Looks like most age groups went for Reagan. Such is a 3T attitude. Let there be no rules.......
So, GenX doesn't really lean R. There was a lot of time for the Democrats to do something, but didn't. Nobody can blame R votes on GenX after all. It's all a myth.
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Quote:Gen X is not to blame anymore. I didn't bring up the generations blame game; you did. It's not about generations now. I don't blame Generation X. Deceived voters come in all ages. We all have to unite to recover our country, or leave.
I didn't "blame" anyone. I just presented some data from Roper to show that GenX doesn't always push the R button.
Quote:Just because the Xer's here like Republicans by no means is a sufficient sample size to grok the actual historical data.
So again, we have what we have now due to the lack of foresight on the part of the Democratic Party. The RNC did have campus outreach while I was in college, but nada from the DNC. The DNC just , well stepped on its dick.
Quote:The DNC is not above criticism for its behavior. You have to admit though that Oklahoma is about the least likely state to go blue. But, I don't disagree; with all their money they could reach out everywhere. It's the electoral college again. It means the election is held in a dozen states, and both parties are only interested in those states or their concerns. That isn't even a republic. It's a scheme to protect slave owners. And it's time for us slaves to rebel.
If the electoral college didn't exist then the election would be held in the top 12 most populous states.
Quote:To paraphrase Bill Clinton's victorious saying in 1992:
"It's the electoral college, stupid."
It should be it's geography , stupid. It's just this time that the rust belt switched.
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