Presidential election, 2016

[Warren Dew]

(12-02-2016, 04:32 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(12-02-2016, 01:48 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-02-2016, 12:08 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 07:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-01-2016, 06:51 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Give it a year and Clinton will have 100% of the 100 million votes from California.

Ca is counting legally the legal votes from legal citizens. It takes a while to count 14 million plus votes and verify that they are legal votes. Red states that don't care about the people don't take as long, because their method is to make people wait in line while they show ID cards and do all the verification at the polling place.

I went to vote in person early at the registar. I was surprised the huge parking lots were full, and I asked an employee walking along about why the county building was so full, and he said "it's the election." Lots of people work at the registrar's office to make sure the vote is conducted and counted properly. I'm sorry you live in a state where they don't do this, but don't blame California, and please don't believe a word that our stupid president-elect says; he's a total dufus, a scumbag and a dirt ball. And those are kind words for him.

Today the Chron had Bay Area stats on vote by county. Trump was in the 15 - 30% range in the 9 counties. The most conservative was Solano, that was 30ish. SF and Alameda in the teens, most in the low 20s.

I reckon SoCal was similar. Hell, Clinton won Orange County. Freakin' Orange County! There were enough #NeverTrump Reps and Indies there to garner that result. OC does not have enough Dems for that result.

Warren just cannot accept the nauseating, visceral reactions that many here in CA had to Trump. We have a real divide now between the Far West and many other places.

I live in a sanctuary city which voted 10% Trump, in a state which voted 30% Trump.  I know all about the nauseating, visceral reactions to Trump and also how irrational they are.  Heck, I spent hours talking my dad down.

However OC presents a conundrum for your world view here. OC is not the typical "Country Club Republican Zone."

So what were some of the types of OC Reps who went for Trump? I don't know for certain, but anecdotally, I can name some examples who may provide some clues:
- An owner of a thriving small business in Santa Ana whose clientele ranges from scrappy Mexican migrants to wealthy old money people who live in Anaheim Hills.
- An immigrant from South Asia who has made a very good accounting of his professional engineering skills working on projects ranging from private parking structures to major transportation infrastructure
- Another immigrant from South Asia who's done a successful series of DoD focused tech start ups
- An immigrant from SE Asia who has a booming small entertainment company (think, videos for bands that you might encounter on YouTube)
- A former citrus orchardist who sold off land during the 1970s and became an early retired philanthropist.

Do you honestly believe that all of these people were irrational? Or perhaps, there were other reasons they opted, as I also did, to be among the  #NeverTrump people on The Right.

They might all have been irrational, sure.  It's hard to tell from the limited information provided.

Some might also have had rational reasons for voting against Trump.  For example, if much of the clientele for one's business were composed of illegal aliens, one  would have a very rational reason for voting against Trump.  It would be a dollars and cents reason, though, not visceral nausea.

Pretty much by definition, voting based on a visceral reaction is irrational.