Presidential election, 2016

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-30-2016, 05:22 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 01:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't want to do stuff to knock you down economically as I'd likely be knocking myself down in the process.

And yet you just said you were happy about policies that knocked me down economically.  Granted they didn't knock you down, you being retired and all.  That makes it pretty clear where you stand.

No.  It might seem clear in your mind, but you seem incapable of comprehending values outside of your world view.

Like many Democrats, I am happy when more people who have not had access to health care get health care.  That fits under the general Freedom from Want meme.  As a by product of these regulations, it became easier / cheaper / preferable somehow for companies to employ people long term rather than bring in temps.  I am not thrilled by regulations.  As 'the more entitlements the better' is an unhealthy meme, 'the more regulations the better' is also unhealthy.  One creates entitlements or regulations when one absolutely has to rather than for the sake of creating them.  Why?  Unintended consequences arise.  That software companies hire permanent employees rather than bring in contractors is one such.  I don't expect this was a deliberate act on anyone's part.  However, it is a reason not to meddle if there isn't a need.

As a broad principle, not just just as an individual accusation, I have noted a tendency when extreme partisans are creating or nursing vile stereotypes and strawmen they often attribute ugly motives to the individual with the opposing world view.  Here, you seem to be suggesting that I have a motive to hurt software engineers who would rather contract out than hire on.  It is tempting and easy to twist it about, to suggest that conservatives wish to kill poor people by depriving them of health care.

I am guessing that this is incorrect for you personally and for many conservatives.  I suspect you favor policies that would benefit yourself and others in your profession, social class, cultural group or whatever.  If such policies that favor you and yours happen to have a side effect of hurting others, I suspect your primary motivation is not to hurt others.

But when opposing groups of extreme partisans are throwing strawmen and stereotypes at each other, that is often not the presumption.  There is often an assumption that the other guys have an unjustified hatred and desire to do harm.  In the past, I have often been on the receiving end of posts saying in effect that 'all liberals think alike, therefor what you think is...' followed by hateful vile stereotypes.

That seems to be the type of thinking you are indulging in, trying to convince me that I'm out to get you.  Huh?  No.  I'm not acting out of hate.  I simply think it prudent and moral to have an inclusive economy.  I believe many to most progressives have similar principles.  However, when the conservative opposition persistently acts to deprive the poor of the basics, it is very very easy to think that the opposition lacks morality, has no empathy with their fellow men.  I am dubious about such strawmen and stereotypes that my fellow progressives indulge in.  However, I have no difficulty understanding where they are coming from, and it is quite difficult to convince them to drop their false or less than fully true concepts of how vile the conservatives are.

Anyway, you are making strange assumptions about my motivations which have no basis in truth.  Alas, this in not unusual here.  It's pretty much par for the course.