Presidential election, 2016

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-31-2016, 09:55 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 05:22 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-30-2016, 01:58 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I don't want to do stuff to knock you down economically as I'd likely be knocking myself down in the process.

And yet you just said you were happy about policies that knocked me down economically.  Granted they didn't knock you down, you being retired and all.  That makes it pretty clear where you stand.

Let me try this.  I'm opposed to letting you  have free reign if, in the process, 100 others are hurt.  That's especially the case when you are not in any danger of penury and they are.

That's...  interesting.  It's also kind of vague.  I don't have a good enough feeling for what you want to do to give it a blanket endorsement.

I would like to endorse and push for implementation of UDHR Article 25 -- basically the Roosevelt's Freedom from Want -- which broadly defines a floor below which those in danger of penury ought not to be allowed to fall.  This is not a trivial task, nor a cheap one.  Obama's goal of getting more people health care is part of it.

I have no interest at all in a ceiling above which the rich are not allowed to rise.  Zero interest.  None.

However, paying for UDHR 25 will make a lot of the very rich less very rich, a lot more than 100 of them.  I'm thinking that the very rich might define 'hurt' differently than one in danger of penury.  Having fewer yachts, in my opinion, shouldn't count as 'hurt'.

I'm not a Marxist, out to destroy the capitalist investment class.  I do see the excessive wealth and power of the capitalist investment class as a problem, though.  Marx described the problem well enough, but his solutions stank.  

If you can agree that UDHR 25 is a reasonable goal, I'd be pleased to talk to you about how to achieve it with as small an impact as possible on the capitalist investment class, software contractors, or any other group you'd care to bring up.  If you insist that we ought to strive to get something for nothing, I'll call shenanigans.