Presidential election, 2016

[Warren Dew]

(01-02-2017, 03:44 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(01-01-2017, 09:57 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-31-2016, 05:42 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(12-31-2016, 05:33 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-31-2016, 03:49 PM)taramarie Wrote: Least in NZ we are aware that everyone deserves automatic healthcare treatment and even the poorest of the poor can get healthcare without someone saying do you have insurance before treating you. Our medicine is also a heck of a lot cheaper too. So perhaps you also have something to learn about NZ. As far as I am concerned, given I am raising money for a lady in America so that she can get her legs treated before she looses them thanks to your wonderful healthcare system we have it better overall for everyone here with universal healthcare. There would be some changes I would make, but it is better for everyone in my books.

She must make to much money to qualify for Obamacare or have an issue that requires a very expensive surgery that may or may not save her legs. It would be nice to live in a small  secluded nation that's more centered on local type issues. Lady, based on what you've told me about yourself, I've got everything you dream about/talk about having some day. You're going to have a hard time convincing someone like me that your system of preference (government controlled) is better than the system that we prefer (individually controlled). Perspective.

She is unable to work due to her condition and she has a son who has a mental disability. She is extremely poor and has a mystery ailment that needs a specialist to study what is wrong. Apparently she cannot afford it. Sir, my mother has overspent and on top of it put a caveat on the house. My situation is that i have to help pay off her debt so it is wise to get an understanding of my very individual circumstance which my mother put me in. It has nothing to do with our system and everything to do with my mothers individual greed. Sorry, but you seem to be covering yourself over with already preconceived ideas ad closing the door without knowing the full picture with regards to me. Ehem....perspective.

I knew about your situation with your mother. You've told us a lot about yourself including the situation with your mother. You've told us a lot about your country as well. I get the picture, so to speak. You given me enough of the picture to form some opinions and make some decisions. I'm a Republican voter. I've been told that Republican voters are very very rare in your part of the world.

Given you know of my particular situation judging my country on my situation is a poor judgement. Judge by what goes on for the majority, not just by my situation. Your comment, "Lady, based on what you've told me about yourself, I've got everything you dream about/talk about having some day. You're going to have a hard time convincing someone like me that your system of preference (government controlled) is better than the system that we prefer (individually controlled)." Tells me you are comparing my situation to your own individual situation. A silly comparison given we are both living different lives with a different past. If you were talking about the crap that goes on with the govt you may have a leg to stand on. But as you said, "Lady, based on what you've told me about yourself, I've got everything you dream about/talk about having some day.  You instead are comparing our lives. If you know of my situation it is silly to compare us. It is wiser to look at the wider human condition in both countries or preferably, state by state compared to NZ perhaps. Not by two people in two countries. You are not getting a wide picture that way. One thing you are right about is that Republican voters are not a thing here. Good that you are listening.

We're not hearing from the  "majority" in New Zealand, though; we're hearing from you.  Peoples' political views are to some  extent influenced by their personal situations.  For all we know, someone in New Zealand who has Classic-Xer's situation might have very different political views - or no such people may exist.

You could help by providing objective statistics when you talk about how good you think New Zealand's situation is.