Presidential election, 2016

[Warren Dew]

(01-09-2017, 08:28 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-09-2017, 01:27 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-08-2017, 07:32 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I like to think my own way of looking at the world is well thought out, logical, based on lessons from history, common sense and developed on reasonable teachings of my culture.  I also like to think that everybody thinks their values are such, well thought out, logical, based on lessons from history, common sense and developed on reasonable teachings of their cultures.

Your mistake is in assuming it's all about culture for everyone, just because it happens to be so for you.  In fact, most of the conservatives here are libertarian leaning, and base our reasoning not on culture but on facts and proven economic theory.  Assuming that it's a clash of cultures may be why you go wrong so much.

I find it hilarious when Libertarians think they and only they have "facts" and "proven economic theory" and think all the rest of us are just going by our feels, it reeks of projection, and Libertarians tend to be exactly the kind of technically-oriented types that have little self-awareness of their own feelings and THINK they are super-logical and rational.

I don't think "all the rest of" you are just going by your feelings; I only think that, now, of Bob since he basically said that's how he operates.  I judge each person individually, which is part of that libertarian preference for facts and logic.

You may well go by logic and facts as you see them.  pbrower certainly seems to.  In theory I could have a productive discussion with you two in a way I could not with Bob, if we had enough time available for digging into empirical data and combing over each others' logic.

Actually, Eric may go by facts and logic as he sees them, too, but he and I are too far apart to make a productive discussion likely.  It would be pretty difficult for me to develop "respect", as Bob puts it, for astrological logic.  That doesn't prevent a discussion between us being fun, though, even if it's unproductive. Unlike Bob, Eric is open to understanding where his opponents are really coming from, even if only for the purpose of better pushing his own point of view.