Debate about Gun Control

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(06-20-2016, 03:24 PM)TnT Wrote:

(06-16-2016, 01:22 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: There were armed guards at the Orlando nightclub, and FL is the most permissive open carry state in the USA. So, what does Trump and the other gun nuts have to complain about?

The gun advocates claim that gun control is prohibition. Even the Scalia Supreme Court disagreed with them.

The National Guard is never sent abroad. It is used to quell domestic disturbances and meet emergencies here at home. Where does Bob get this stuff?

Insane, and apt to continue. A great description of America with no gun control and its mass shootings and under the thumb of the evil NRA.

Really?  There WERE armed guards at Orlando?  Really?  

If so, WTF were they doing for all those hours?  I mean, it kind of makes sense if real security is desired ... simply spot a well-placed sniper's nest above the gathering place where he/she is not easily seen and thereby planned around.  

Lunatic enters, starts shooting and pow.  Problem solved.  And you don't have a bunch of questionably trained civilians running around with pistols in their pockets as in the typical NRA CCW scenario.

I'm wondering about how this went down as well.

I believe what happen was the shooter came in blazing.  Probable killed a dozen or more in the first 5 minutes.  The off-duty officer, dong the security, responded, but every minute until he did probable had from 1-5 people killed/wounded with every passing minute, and even once engage, there could have been lots more collateral damage - that's the power of an AR with 30 round clips and high velocity slugs going through dry wall and plaster like it wasn't there.   The officer returned fire but was obviously out-gunned (at best had a 10-round Glock and likely no second magazine) and retreated to get backup.  This is one of the big problems with the AR; it emboldens even relatively untrained shooters to feel they can take on the world, and at least in the first hour, they're probable correct in that regard.  Imagine the shooter with the same firepower as the off-duty cop and having to reload after his initial round of fire; untrained and never in such a situation - my bet the cop would have taken him out in the first 10 minutes.

During the time waiting for backup, the shooter's acquiring new targets probable became less efficient, people hiding away such as in the bathroom.  However, this gave him plenty of time to walk around unchallenged and kill those that had been wounded and couldn't get away.   With the arrival of the initial way of officers, an additional exchange took place, and the shooter withdrew to another bathroom and stopped shooting.  Things went quiet, with the shooter calling and telling the dispatcher among other things that he has a bomb and hostages.  It went to a hostage situation.

I believe at some point, it became clear to the police the carnage that had occurred and in no way was the shooter going to give up without taking as many more lives as possible. I think that' when the decision was made to breech the wall.

Given the situation, particularly the firepower brought by the shooter, there's no other way this could have gone down.